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I'm not knocking him at all. I just don't expect him to be on our radar at 4, so if he goes before that it let's someone slide to us.
There’s no player, not Sarr or Risacher worth trading two top 8 picks for in this flat draft. Take two pulls of the lever,not one.
I'm not knocking him at all. I just don't expect him to be on our radar at 4, so if he goes before that it let's someone slide to us.
We aren’t a le team and need talent. Theres plenty of minutes and even if it doesnt happen year one, we dont need it to. Spurs have two picks and lots of guys who spurs are linked to have shooting question (Castle and even Risacher to some degree)
They both are flawed, but I don't think Holland's flaw (his shot) is fixable. It's that simple of a calculation for me. I don't even want him at 8 because I don't believe he'll ever be able to be an average shooter. Risacher's flaws I believe can be fixed.
But he does a lot of other things a lot better than Risacher and even if Risacher shot is solid, does he truly project to be more than a good role player which can be had with free agency, trade or the extra picks SA has?
One has a better chance at being a star and that’s harder to get via trade and FA IMO and having 2 picks to me means you can afford to take that swing if you land Castle/Dillingham/Reed with the other pick…
The poster that started the Risacher can’t shoot trope was using a 5 game sample. For the year, he shot 38%.
If Risacher develops handles where he can dribble drive, then yes, he can be more. He's got a much better chance to do that than Holland does to be able to shoot.
no obvious path to playmaking ability, really. other than just saying he's still young and just turned 19. i do think he flashes passing ability but rarely does enough with the ball in his hands to create situations to take advantage of it.
I'm more interested in what's the ceiling of his shooting ability.
Nowdays everyone wants complete forwards that can do a bit of everything, but if you ask me finding someone who can be a high volume shooter, good rebounder and defender would be as just as good.
Finding a MPJ type forward who can shoot around 40% on 8 attempts per game would be invaluable.
There's a huge difference between that level of shooting and someone who will take 3 per game.
There's levels to 3-D players even if they don't offer anything else.
MPJ shooting is pretty elite but it looks attainable. he's tall, has a very high release, and has gotten a lot better at not having to dip the ball back down in catch and shoot spots. very interesting stuff at his age
Oh I know - I think overall Risacher shot is solid; but it’s not a “lock” and I dont think hes a varied shooter. But it’s not near the same issue as Holland I agree.
I disagree that it’s so black and white. It’s not just as simple as only those two skills and likelihood of each getting them. Theres a lot more to their games and what they do well/dont do etc….yes of course those two are big things, but that’s not only path for Holland to be a star. DeRozan has no 3 ball and is a star.
Imagine like a Josh Howard/DeRozan type from Holland with actual defense and very good secondary playmaking (like DeRozan)
And Holland has already shown much more there IMO, similar to a Sochan.
Nothing is a lock in this draft, or most drafts, tbh. Once you accept that, peace follows.
High BBIQ (His Dad is a former pro), great work ethic, great body( size and length) and fundamentals
He's just 19 and has upside at everything
I do - I hate drafts
It’s really hard to draft well consistently
Holland sucks and will keep on sucking, imho.
Tbh, we didn't have to really care about drafts for 20 years.I do - I hate drafts
It’s really hard to draft well consistently
It's actually fun when you watch random players that are projected to go in 20-40 range, trying to find someone who could be a steal.
If you miss, not a big deal.
But when it's about franchise altering lottery picks, frustration and pressure build up because every bust sets you back.
Hopefully 2025 will be the last draft we'll care about for the foreseeable future.
And idk why are we even talking about Risacher, I'd say that chances of him being available at #4 are less than 10%.
Seems that way - but Im not sure GMs are as in love with him as you normally get with top 3 prospects so you never know..
Yes there are more skills, but if you can't shoot, and your shot is unfixable, then, at best, you're a bit player deep off the bench in today's game. I think that much is black and white..
DeRozan isnt a bit player….theres still mid-range guys and Holland is a pretty damn interesting finisher at the rim too alongside some solid secondary playmaking (hes not CP, but in a spurs system where its moving and his not a primary guy but using his tools as an advantage to move off of Wemby and ball movement?)
Only reason I would be ok picking him at 4. He's already better than Julian and he should keep Keldon coming off the bench.
I'm kind of fine with him at 4, but I get why models are low on him, and those are the reasons I don't think he really seems like he has star upside.
Models are trying to adjust quality for role, knowing how historically usage and efficiency translates into NBA play from a league, how passing success indicates feel, etc. Generally, models are better going from NCAA -> NBA than from varying European leagues, but they do attempt to adjust.
Risacher had an assist to turnover ratio below 1, and some incredibly high turnover games in the playoffs (e.g, 5 in his 28 point game). On top of that, he generated few defensive events (Some of this can be scheme dependant and players opting to not gamble (I think this is the case with Castle, for instance), but it's still low).
Turnovers, avoiding them and creating them are massive in total player impact, and that's why he shows up badly in analytics models. Entirely possible that even as mostly a play finisher, that limits his impact unless everyone else is a plus passer and he plays a role like Danny Green / Klay as an almost entirely off ball player.
The lack of creative dribbling, and poor passing really limit his star upside.
Fine role player, you need guys who'll be effective in low usage roles, and I get he's been in a much higher level of compe ion than NCAA.
DDR can shoot though, he has excellent touch that just doesn't extend to the 3 pt line. Holland, fundamentally, can not shoot. My opinion is he will never have a mid range game. Those two aren't comparable. MkG is his floor and Stanley Johnson is his ceiling imo..
Agreed.
I'd avoid Holland unless Sochan gets traded. (won't happen)
Two of them wouldn't be able to co-exist.
As time goes on and I watch/read more stuff about these prospects, I honestly don't want any of these forwards if Risacher isn't there at #4.
Either get Castle who looks like he's got everything except shooting on the right track or get Dillingham and hope for the best with his scoring potential.
These forwards with so many fundamental flaws just won't work out. We got enough of them on the roster already.
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