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Spurs are not trading Vassell unless it involves a top 20 player. You should keep him out of these trade proposals.
I'd offer three different deals to the Jazz for Lauri. The Jazz will probably look to swap their very late first with our very early second so they can get out of the first round rookie scale contract so that swap will be included in every deal unless the Jazz value the 29 for some reason.
1. 4 and 8 plus the 29/35 pick swap for Lauri straight up with the Spurs absorbing his salary.
2. Dev and the 4 for Lauri plus a filler contract along with the 29/35 pick swap.
3. Dev, Sochan, the 4/8 plus the 29/35 swap for Lauri, John Collins and the 10. People will balk at the inclusion of Sochan but with the addition of Lauri and Collins there will be zero playing available at 4 and Sochan jumper is unplayable at 3 so don't even bother.
Spurs are not trading Vassell unless it involves a top 20 player. You should keep him out of these trade proposals.
My ideal off season is 3-4 new players via draft/fa/trade.
Bottom 4 at a min need to be turned over and guys moved down the pecking order.
Cedi gone and Graham gone is 2. That leaves two more out of Bassey, Blake, Branham, Collins hopefully.
The Spurs have too many future firsts to let teams trick them out of 4 and 8 this year by using the "bad draft" logic. No, expiring players don't return two top-10 picks. That doesn't happen, and pushing that isn't being "more realistic". Obviously Ainge can ask for whatever he wants, but the Spurs shouldn't entertain that kind of deal
I would rather just pay OG in FA than give up a ton for Lauri tbh…sure, OG may not be available, but we will just have to see.
To this point, to me, something like having Cedi and Graham off the roster and pushing Blake/Branham down the rotation or traded with an off season of something like: Drafting 1 of Reed/Castle/Dilly + a wing like Buzelis/Cody/Risacher then pulling a trade for Brogdon and maybe getting a FA (even in a S&T with someone going out) for something like Batum, Patrick Williams, Naji Marshall or Fontecchio would be a damn solid off season IMO
Would anyone here do Keldon for pick 5 straight up? DET gets a young still win now guy on a good deal and have plenty of cap space to absorb Keldon straight up. Spurs get pick 5 so will have 4, 5 and 8 in the draft.
If spurs are indeed higher on this draft than consensus, would the Spurs do that?
Everybody here would do that trade. Problem is that the Pistons won’t
I think too many here are wayyyy of on Keldons value tbh…
Too many people here are passionate either with homer glasses or hater glasses. They can’t give an unbiased viewpoint on the team here. I mean the amount of pushback I got for correctly saying Sochan shouldn’t be our PG this past year (or any year going forward) was just ridiculous. So many things are just obvious but people here are either too PATFO are never wrong and Spurs players are all great or PATFO are stupid morons and every player in the worst player ever.
I am of the mindset that we will be like OKC going forward and almost no current player will still be on this team in 3 years time. Pop needs to retire. We need younger blood to connect with the players. And really we need to get our foundation back as a corporation before we worry about the players. It really bothers me (and only me apparently) that we have zero high value assistant coaches. It also bothers me that we have no vet players on the team to teach our supposed “core” how to actually play basketball and be professionals. I really hope we sign Klay this summer. Draft Risacher and Dilly and bam Wemby is just surrounded by shooters in Klay, Vassell, Risacher, and Dilly.
For us or any neutral observer, yes.
But you just have to listen to the way Pop talks about him to forget about that option.
Same can be said about Sochan (who he compares to Manu... smh)
Whatever projections we're doing has to include those 2 to be realistic
FIFY
(That's how much I think Pop has become sentimental or stubborn)
I wouldn't
I wanna see Keldon in year 2 as a 6th man. It's a very important position and for all the low IQ he's shown sometimes (that can be worked on at his age) he brings tons of juice all the time and is reliable in terms of agressivity towards the rim. He also seems to be a great lockeroom leader/energy provider, great with the local community etc
He's worth another look imo
Add his friendly contract that can make him very valuable if he improves even little bit
IN: Castle (4); Garland; Batum; Plumlee
OUT: Keldon; Malaki; 8; CHA pick; Graham
KEEP: Julian; Sidy
TBD: Sandro; Cedi; Bassey
Starters:
- Garland
- Vassell
- Batum (placeholder for 25FRP)
- Sochan
- Wemby
Bench:
- Tre
- Castle
- Julian
- Plumlee
- Collins
RECLAMATION PROJECTS?
- Wiseman
- Bamba
- Bol
Lets be honest, the spurs do trades - but they don't do a lot of trades, but since this is just an exercise lets see --. We need to improve or defense so that's where we should start.
Pick 4 Castle
Pick 8 & Charlotte 1st + Wesley Trade to OKC for J. Giddey & #12 Draft Devin Carter at 12
Picks 35,48 and 2 future 2nds traded to NY for the 25 pick. Select Kyle Filipowkski
Wemby Collins Fillipowski
Sochan Mamu Free Agent PF
K. Johnson Champ Barlowe
Vassell Castle Branham
Giddey Jones Carter
Addition by subtraction. Our part time starters get regulated to the 2nd or 3rd team. Our bench defense improves and Fillipowski can be switched with Collins. Mamu and Barlow get 1 year contract only, Branham does not get another year if he doesn't improve. We sign a free agent PF such as Xavier Tillman. Carter probably beats out Branham for minutes.
Not an all or nothing, but its a better team than we had this year, plus we don't give up a bunch of valuable future assets. Giddey passes to Wemby for the slam !
Lmao Giddey.
OKC had four shooters around him and he still got benched in Mavs series.
Shot 3/16 from deep over 7 games.
And you'd start him together with Sochan.
Not to mention that he's got just one year left on his rookie deal and would have to be extended.
And yeah, he likes underage girls.
Ya - im out on Giddey tbh….
Ya - I think theres pros and cons. Keldon is a very good player, still young and a legit scorer and 6th man. Spurs should not be in a rush to move him or get off his deal. I do think something like pick 5 is fair value in terms of one-for-one so that part is fine.
It’s more of a question of what doing something like that allows. I would be interested because as much as I like Keldon, I would personally prefer someone with more defensive upside alongside better passing (even though Keldon really improved there). He’s not a 3PT ace so it’s not like losing him hurts things there that much; but it does hurt overall offense and scoring punch.
But if you now have no Keldon (salary absorbed by DET here) + picks 4, 5 and 8 now, you get a lot of space (not just for this year, but next year too when it may matter more) and now you can really take some shots at a guard and maybe 2 wings?
Reed + Holland + Buzelis?
Risacher + Reed + Dillingham?
Does replacing Graham + Keldon + Cedi with one of those 2 combos set the team up better long term and get you more well rounded players net/net with also more flexibility going into off season now and next season?
Dejounte is not good defensively. The Hawks had a higher defensive rating with just Trae on the floor vs just Dejounte on the floor
The DET trade for Keldon is enticing not because I love this draft, but because its a clean reset of money/cap space that allows you to replace Keldon immediately (not via draft, but Im talking right now in FA) and get a more versatile team and bump 2 guys down rotation and open up real minutes for those who earn it.
But I also see reason not to do it too…Keldon is a very good player and his contract is not something that is negative at all *needing* to be moved. Guess it depends on which way SA wants to go, but theres pros and cons to the deal like all deals.
What about Keldon to POR for Brogdon + 14? You get your vet guard stop gap and additional lottery pick.
Could end up with something like:
Castle at 4, Cody Williams at 8, Bub Carrington at 14 and Brogdon as your vet PG starter stop gap?
That adds two nice guards for your future and a vet to basically phase out Graham/Cedi/Branham/Blake (unless they leap) and you add a nice wing to your stable to grow with team and replace Keldon.
Brogdon hasn't been healthy for three years and there were a lot of reports about him not being a good teammate.
I'd consider it if there are no other options and Blazers just salary dump him here because they're over the cap, but I'm not giving up Keldon for him.
Blazers that just hit the reset button won't trade their lottery pick for Keldon.
They traded for Brogdon and Ayton etc…they seem to be trying to win to some degree and Keldon is young enough to fit their timeline still too IMO. Especially for pick 14 in this draft.
He was a salary filler in Jrue trade.
Blazers got Jrue in Lillard trade and then sent him to Boston.
They'll be looking to move Brogdon and Grant this offseason.
Scoot already in sink or swim role.
Sure - but they dont seem to be tanking at all. Adding Keldon Will undoubtedly be good value + help that cause for Brogdon + 14 is the point
Johnson for 5 (even in this draft) is insane. Johnson for Brogdon and 14 is closer to sane, but likely unrealistic all the same.
The problem with a Brogdon trade, is I'm skeptical the Spurs would go past something like the Hornets 1st, Graham, Wesley and Bassey or that the Trail Blazers would accept that.
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