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Think I’d rather just keep 4 tbh. Maybe if it was formulated as “worst of SAS/ATL 27”?
With the Garland talk and Spurs moving to #1 rumors, I wonder if instead of 4 + 8 for #1 if it wouldn't be 4 + Atl 27 for #1? That leaves 8 to be included in a Cleveland trade for Garland.
Think I’d rather just keep 4 tbh. Maybe if it was formulated as “worst of SAS/ATL 27”?
What would you think of Castle + Devin Carter?
I'm only recently learning about Carter, but he seems like a Spurs type of guy. I have no sense if picking him at 8 is too high though.
Small SG who does almost everything but create, noted by his. 3.5/2.7 asst/TOs. And before you start taking about training him up as a PG, I’m going to share a basketball truism: only God makes PGs. It’s not about being a certain size or having quickness or shooting well. It’s something that’s either in your head, or it’s not, and if it’s not there, you’re not a PG and never will be. I’ve been following drafts for 25 years, and can tell you all of the hundreds of 6’1” to 6’3” SGs drafted that were going to be made into PGs and fell flat on their faces.
rc is not the gm brian wrong is..........brian wrong has made every pick since he has taken over.......plz look at the archetype of all brian wrongs draft picks.......they r the same philosophy he used in detroit........brian wrong is going to make the wrong picks history does not favor brian wrong.......
IIRC, the last time the Spurs actively tried to trade up in the draft was for Lonnie Walker, who unexpectedly and fortuitously fell into their laps.
6'8.5" height, 6'9.5" wingspan, standing reach 8'11
Shoots the 3 well, good defense, minimal passing chops or self creation
Jaden McDaniels is probably not a bad 50-75th percentile outcome for him
I think Cody Williams is more Jalen McDaniels. I see some similarities with Risacher too though. Especially the similar 6’9 size. Williams is a couple inches shorter in height and standing reach.
someone said Risacher was French Keegan Murray and I kinda can see that. The shooting form is similar.
In my view, if the Garland interest is real, then the trading up for ZR rumors are probably also real
There's a real risk a trade up for the spurs would cause ATL to take ZR. Its not clear who ATL would pick. For that reason I don't like trading up.
I’m afraid to tell you chief, Buford runs the ENTIRE operation, AND he’s scouted, himself, Risacher
They’ve tried to with Avdija, Hachimura.
I honestly don't know what the Hawks will do. I'd probably put the chances of them drafting the following guys at #1 tbh:
-Risacher 40%
-Sarr 30%
-Clingan 30%
If that doesn’t make you uncomfortable I don’t know what will. Incoming 4 + 8 for 3 just to draft Topic.
Apparently Coach Snider really likes Clingon, per reports
if the rumored trade-up is to #2, its not like they would execute that trade days before the draft. it would be made while washington is on the clock, most likely with washington making the selection for the spurs, and the trade being finalized later
if ATL takes the spurs target, the trade would be dead and wouldnt be made
Projecting guys with Risacher's body type and skills is really fun. More than any other archetype, his is one of the two most valuable and definitely the lowest friction in all of basketball. Everybody needs long skilled jumbo wings and you can never have enough of them. There's not a whole lot that needs to go right for these guys who have any amount of shooting and defense to provide significant value in the league. And if you turn up the shooting, defense, and playmaking sliders in any combination to different degrees, you can see dramatic increases in value.
(Age 19 season stats for everyone)
Worst case:
Cam Reddish - 33% 3PT, 39% 2PT, 0.67 AST:TO
Complete and utter disaster in college, couldn't really dribble, couldn't shoot, couldn't score, couldn't pass, basically just a long wing who couldn't do anything. Now a fringe rotation player the Lakers tried to turn into a stopper. This is basically Risacher's floor if everything, and I mean everything goes poorly for him as he crushes freshman Cam in pretty much every metric.
Replacement level:
Harrison Barnes - 36% 3PT, 73% FT, 0.7 AST:TO
Just ok at everything. Can't really create, average shooting, ok defense, can't pass much. He's basically the base case slightly above average replacement level long forward, still a decent player, but nothing to write home about. Boring. Let's turn up some attribute sliders:
++Shooting: MPJ - MPJ really illustrates the synergy between height has on shooting. Especially when paired with a quick release, becoming a 40% 3 pt shooter at that height opens up a significant amount of gravity and at baseline makes you a good starter. Sam Hauser is a lesser version of this.
+Shooting/++ defense: Jaden McDaniels - This is probably Risacher's 60-70th percentile outcome I think; McDaniels shot 34% from 3 and 76% from the line - Risacher probably ends up a better shooter but is probably an underdog to be as good defensively, as McDaniels is currently one of the 5 best perimeter defenders in the NBA; both of them with AST:TO < 0.7 indicates lack of passing/creation upside; they both have very similar physical measurements with regards to height and wingspan
+++Shooting/+ defense: Klay Thompson - This is the ceiling for wing shooters with little to no self-creation. Klay was 41% 3pt, 90% FT, 0.9 AST:TO; since I consider Klay the greatest 3 and D player in NBA history (sorry Danny), a 6'9" version of Klay with movement shooting would obviously be one of the best if not the best role player in NBA history. For Risacher to get here, it requires outlier development in 3 point shooting and movement shooting, although his defense can certainly get to Klay-levels
Notice that the above wings have very low AST:TO, generally a marker of less passing / playmaking. Let's turn up some playmaking sliders for fun:
+shooting/+defense/+playmaking: Nicolas Batum - 34% 3pt, 73% FT, 1.5 AST:TO, 21 AST%: probably the most popular Risacher comp, the biggest difference being the playmaking potential. Batum showed it early and his numbers reflect that, while Risacher at the same age has not shown anything similar yet
++shooting/++playmaking/+0.5 defense: Gordon Hayward - 45% 3pt, 82% FT, 1.2 AST:TO, 14 AST%: a lot of well-rounded goodness with passing, and playmaking that you could see early, ended up translating into a well rounded borderline all-star.
++shooting/++playmaking/++defense: Paul George - 35% 3 pt, 91% FT, 0.94 AST:TO, 22 AST%: pretty low AST:TO, but PG13 showed pretty significant playmaking potential early on. Of course, it didn't hurt that he also grew 1-2 inches after he entered the NBA which probably played a pretty significant role in his rise to s om
++shooting/++playmaking/++defense: Jayson Tatum - 34% 3 pt, 85% FT, 0.81 AST:TO, 12.4 AST%: at first glance, the numbers don't look great and by the numbers Tatum wasn't an elite prospect. But he showed a ton of self-creation potential and also benefited from growing 2 inches after he entered the NBA, which undoubtedly assisted him in being generating his own shot
You can really see how progressively increasing the above skills create different tiers of players within the jumbo forward mold. As of right now, I don't think Risacher has shown me anything with regards to either playmaking or being able to generate his own shot, and his numbers back this up as well (0.57 AST:TO, 7 AST%). Comparing international compe ion, role, and context with college is always a little tricky, but the I think both the numbers and the tape corroborate to give us a pretty good picture. Getting into the Batum/Hayward/George/Tatum level of forwards is not impossible, but would require significant outlier development on that front.
That being said, a Jaden McDaniels type player is a 25 million/year player in today's NBA and a valuable piece to a championship team. With just some reasonable development, Risacher's low friction archetype could allow him to develop into an excellent player. He's not at the top of my draft board, but he should definitely be in consideration for a high pick.
Serious doubt we have a Jaden McDaniel here. Rizz would have to be rolling some natural twenties to get his defense close to that level. His defense will probably be adequate in man to man and above that in team defense.
I see sort of a Harrison Barnes. Really I see a Klay Thompson with worse defense and inability to score at volume and vastly lower efficiency. He really feels like a Ryan Anderson or somebody like that. Stick him in the corner. Hope for some good defense.
Lol really u "honestly" don't know...gee we all thought u did...darn. Nobody on this board knows. Gee u got risacher, sarr then clingan...so u basically got what the majority of mocks and posts on this board have as 1,2,3 thanks for playing
Spurs bill, great post! Very well thought out. I was on the fence about Risarcher, but you have I would now really like that outcome. I knew Mr. Body would respond like he did, but your analysis leads me to think he would likely become a useful part of a contending team. I appreciate the effort.
So who is at the top of your draft board?
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