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I like the Portland trade better than the Detroit ones. I think it'd look like KJ + 8 + Cha for Brogdon + 7 + 14
Draft Castle + Reed + Williams/ Filipowski etc
If that type of transaction happens, it'll mean PATFO is going for another soft tank (which is very possible considering the ridiculous talent in 25')
Other than specific skills, this team is missing experience (and BBIQ which doesn't help my case with Keldon, I'll admit ^^)
Point is, I don't see them adding that many rookies from at best an average draft. I see them giving Keldon one last season to see real impovements before using his friendly contract in a trade and drafting 2 future role players to develop.
We might have too much time in our hands before the draft and reading some ideas, some'd be fine adding 4-5 rookies to the youngest roster in the league...
Each time Pop was asked about the absence of veteran experience, he justified it by them taking ONE season to observe. That implies that once it's done, that basic requierement for a team will be fulfilled no?
It makes this summer (draft & trades) so intriguing tbh, forget PATFO's narrative in future interviews, we'll know what their real goal is (tank or PO) with the moves they make.
I like the Portland trade better than the Detroit ones. I think it'd look like KJ + 8 + Cha for Brogdon + 7 + 14
Draft Castle + Reed + Williams/ Filipowski etc
Go ahead and laugh, but at least he can pass inbounds and be a defensive disrupter, unlike some of our players. Like all players, Giddey has his strengths and weaknesses (we can work on that) but it seems you're also laughing at Sochan - that's funny too except he's already on our team and will be looking to extend soon.Lmao Giddey.
OKC had four shooters around him and he still got benched in Mavs series.
Shot 3/16 from deep over 7 games.
And you'd start him together with Sochan.
Not to mention that he's got just one year left on his rookie deal and would have to be extended.
And yeah, he likes underage girls.Giddey however would be an improvement over some of last years players, even with his bad shooting.
As for the young gals, who knows what they do in the land down under - need to ask Brett Brown about that one.
Last edited by jjspur; 06-04-2024 at 02:30 PM.
Ehhh…I mean you can still add 2 vets no prob. Most of the guys Im talking about replacing out of the rotation (Blake, Branham, Keldon) are all relatively young too with issues. So it’s about long term still and getting players that fit Wemby better and are more well rounded with better upside too.If that type of transaction happens, it'll mean PATFO is going for another soft tank (which is very possible considering the ridiculous talent in 25')
Other than specific skills, this team is missing experience (and BBIQ which doesn't help my case with Keldon, I'll admit ^^)
Point is, I don't see them adding that many rookies from at best an average draft. I see them giving Keldon one last season to see real impovements before using his friendly contract in a trade and drafting 2 future role players to develop.
We might have too much time in our hands before the draft and reading some ideas, some'd be fine adding 4-5 rookies to the youngest roster in the league...
Each time Pop was asked about the absence of veteran experience, he justified it by them taking ONE season to observe. That implies that once it's done, that basic requierement for a team will be fulfilled no?
It makes this summer (draft & trades) so intriguing tbh, forget PATFO's narrative in future interviews, we'll know what their real goal is (tank or PO) with the moves they make.
Yup - Ive talked about that one too. Would love that deal.
Personally I’d be shocked if Keldon could fetch number 5 pre-draft, even in a class like this one. I think Keldon’s value is probably more along the lines of 1 unprotected FRP from a playoff-bound team at the deadline (very similar to what we got for DWhite, less the swap. I think Keldon is not as valuable as White was at the time of that trade). Just imvho
I dont know. I think when you put it as the pick it sounds worse. But if you say would DET trade Buzelis for Keldon? I think that makes it more clear how the value is and Keldon without a doubt is much better than Buzelis right now, there’s plenty of tape on him and he is still young and locked up on a very solid deal.
For a team like DET that is probably very tired of losing and still wants to sort stay young, I think framed like that it makes plenty of sense (and most DET fans I talk to seemingly would leap at that deal)
Has anyone mentioned this idea yet?
Trades:
Spurs trade 4, 8, ATL25, ATL27, Collins and Wesley
Hawks trade Murray. 1 and SAC 25
This feels rich, but that depends on how much the Spurs value the first-overall pick. In this scenario, the Spurs are using it to take Risacher. Because they are able to move Collins and Wesley for Murray, they are both able to keep Johnson and use cap space.
Spurs trade DeVonte Graham, cash and second to Detroit for a fake second
Draft:
Spurs select Risacher at 1
Spurs select Simpson at 35
Spurs select Chomche at 48 (two way)
Free Agency:
Spurs sign Malik Monk to $100M/4
Spurs sign Bamba for $7M/2
Spurs re-sign Mamukelashvili for $14M/3
Roster:
Murray, Jones, Simpson
Vassell, Monk, Branham
Risacher, Johnson, Champangie
Sochan, Mamukelashvili Cissoko
Wembanyama, Bassey, Bamba
Comments:
Well this is a pretty strong all-in move. The Spurs are still left with 2-4 2025 picks, so not all is lost. But this only really make sense if the Spurs want Sarr or Risacher. I personally don't see the need, so I'd want the team to at least hold onto 8, but people on here have proposed more substantial trades that don't bring in a starting PG and SF while still leaving room to create a strong bench unit. I'm a bit scared of the bench defense given how shaky the center spot is. If Bassey is healthy, he can help Jones on that end. But Monk/Johnson/Mamu core inspires no confidence. Maybe the Spurs can use the room exception to bring in a real backup center rather than paying Mamu. The team can use the room exception to take a player back in trade too, and there might be somewhat overpaid centers on other teams who could be had for nothing or for seconds.
All in all, it's a pretty sustainable roster given how many assets they traded away. Murray (especially in this case since his kicker basically has to be waived for the trade to be legal), Vassell and Johnson are all on lower-cost long-term deals. Wemby, Sochan and Risacher are on rookie deals. Jones is the only flight risk, and hopefully Simpson can move up in that spot. It's hard for me to believe it has a ton of upside outside of Wemby eating some rare candies and jumping multiple tiers. Risacher doesn't seem to have a ton of star potential, and Vassell is likely not going to get there. They'd probably need another big move to get that second star, but if that's the case, I don't see how they justify trading so many picks.
Something I do wonder about is Johnson, Bassey and 35 for Lopez and 23. The Bucks apparently are trying to add a younger forward in place of Lopez so they can play Giannis at the 5 more. Keldon gives them that option, and Bassey adds some depth for them. The issue is that Doc Rivers is the guy who let go of Bassey (and Champangie), so he may not really value getting them on cheap contracts. I wouldn't mind one of Branham or Wesley going out, but ideally, the Spurs would be able to use a trade exception to bring Lopez in so they could keep their cap space open for another deal. If they can find a taker for Collins (maybe using 8 with Zach to bring in another player), it could end up leading to a better roster.
I threw up the something similar to the ATL trade a few pages ago (which I later caveated as something I don’t actually want to do, was just throwing some creative ideas out there). Personally I’d only be okay with 4 and 8 going out for 1 if it was also part of some package that brought DJM or Trae here as well (I personally prefer DJM).
I still don’t actually want to do this… but I like the scenario you threw out there. Still leaves us with bullets in the chamber for future drafts (and I’m slightly less optimistic on the ATL picks than others here) and leaves us some other trade assets like Keldon and even Vassell if necessary.
With that said, I don’t see Risacher as enough of an upgrade over any other wings in this draft (and in fact he isn’t even my highest rated wing) to want to do this.
I threw up the something similar to the ATL trade a few pages ago (which I later caveated as something I don’t actually want to do, was just throwing some creative ideas out there). Personally I’d only be okay with 4 and 8 going out for 1 if it was also part of some package that brought DJM or Trae here as well (I personally prefer DJM).
I still don’t actually want to do this… but I like the scenario you threw out there. Still leaves us with bullets in the chamber for future drafts (and I’m slightly less optimistic on the ATL picks than others here) and leaves us some other trade assets like Keldon and even Vassell if necessary.
With that said, I don’t see Risacher as enough of an upgrade over any other wings in this draft (and in fact he isn’t even my highest rated wing) to want to do this.
Not bad, except the Hawks, who'd be trading down to 4 to select Clingan and who already have Capela and Okongwu, probably only even consider taking Collins if the Spurs take Capela (with Graham included to make the math work).
I'd haggle with the Hawks '25 1st as opposed to '26, but ultimately it'd be tough to say no to getting a starting PG and SF who fit well and still have a significant amount of draft capital left over.
The Bucks trade makes no sense for either team though and I don't buy the Antetokounmpo at center notion, nor was Rivers responsible for releasing Bassey/Champagnie. Last I checked, Morey was/is the POBO.
I dont really want to do any sort of this, but if we did I would honestly rather keep 4 and 8 then.
Hawks - no
Trading away one Of the PG star is big hit for management. Adding 1st pick overal same transaction is suicide from marketing perspective. Never happen.
No Edey. No Knecht. No Collier. I think I could Live with just about anything else.
I'm talking about the overall impact of too many rookies added to an already (too) young roster. Keldon is entering his 5th season and his experience starts to become valuable despite all his imperfections and Pop seems to like Brahman a lot and I can see him waiting the end of next season to make a decision.
Blake is gone I agree
It's of course dependant on market opportunities and shouldn't be done just by principle. But the team needs some "been there done that" players as much as specific skills.
We'll see but "knowing" Pop and listening to almost all his interviews, I feel like he wants to be as patient as he can be on Vassell Sochan Keldon or even Brahman's development and will only trade them for a unique opportunity (same way he did with George Hill)
First round picks and their contracts are weird. They come in with two years fully guaranteed, but after year one,you have to decide the option for year THREE, and after year two, the option for year FOUR. Not picking up either of those options means the player plays for a season, knowing he’s not in your plans. You can also only pay him his option amount if you change your mind, where other teams can steal him with a bigger offer if he breaks out. That limitation also applies to any team you may trade him to, diminishing his value on that front.
I agree with DPG on the idea that we need diff player with skills more adapted to Wemby and hope for a reasonable turnover.
I was just puting myself in PATFO's shoes. I'm afraid we won't see as many changes as we hope mainly for the reasons I mentioned
We'll see. It's the most interesting off season in decades in so many aspects tbh
I’d be fine with Collier (not preferred) compared to the others. Hard no on other. Hope no on Collier
Depends on where we're talking about picking for me. I'm OK with Edey if somehow we acquire a late teen pick. I'm fine with Knecht at 8 (although he's not my preference). All I feel like I'm give up with him is upside and with this draft most pf the upside guys at 8 are probably less likely to reach it than Knecht is to reaching a solid floor. On Collier, I'd rather go elsewhere, bit in this draft, I could see reaching.
capela is on the outs there, so imo its really just okongwu
I'd take Knecht or Edey if I had to, and then if it's getting kicked in the nuts or Collier I'd think about it.
I know, but it's highly unlikely they have him out of the rotation period.
think they dump him like they did collins
People are sleeping on Edey. In the right situation he's my pick for ROY.
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