I made a long post in ideal offseason topic, short version would be something like:
Trade Keldon, Tre, return '26 swap and '27 pick for DJ.
Trade Collins, #8 Spurs '24, '25 Chicago and two more FRPs for Markkanen. (If he's 100% committed to staying.)
Sign Monk to be the 6th man and a cheap forward like Highsmith in FA.
Draft let's say Castle.
Get a veteran backup big if Bassey is cooked after his injuries and they don't think Barlow is good enough.
Maybe keep Mamu.
DJ/Devin/Sochan/Lauri/Wemby
Monk/Castle/Champagnie/Highsmith/Bassey
Branham, Wesley, Sidy asthird stringers waiting for another chance to prove themselves.
Forward rotation would be kind of weak, can't fix everything in one summer.
But would still have most picks left, depending on which ones go to Jazz.
Markkanen trade isn't that realistic, but I'd definitely do the DJ and Monk bit to sort out our guard rotation long-term.
Trading Cleveland Tre Jones (a better fit than Garland) to play with Donovan Mitc then getting Keldon to fill their 3 slot seems to make sense to me. Also trading them #4 or #8 which could get them a PG prospect like Dillingham or Sheppard to be the future starter with Donovan. Malaki Branham played basketball at Ohio State and has ties in the community. I could see a deal with Cleveland if they like the Spurs sale pitch.
Is it possible to trade back to Atlanta their pick but make it a top 3 protected?
i dont think charlotte make a conscious decision to injure Lamelo and Mark Williams
Are we wiling to say that Garland (or Trae Young) is a good player?
Compare Garland and Trae Young (and Tre Jones for a measuring stick)
https://www.boxscoregeeks.com/player...86&season=2023
All of the above for Garland?
I do apologize that I sort of made the stats to fit my argument but I feel like everyone does that for this guy in particular. 11 rebounds recently in two games suddenly means he’s an outstanding rebounder too apparently.
Do you actually like him as the top prospect? It seems like his best case is like Tobias Harris or someone sort of like that. I can’t believe people actually would consider drafting someone like that so high when there’s potential game changers like Dillingham and Topic on the board.
I'm kinda digging that... We keep the 25 Atl pick. The first question I'd have is that would we rather have DJ than Garland, because I think the cost would be similar (some 26 swap subs ution)? As for the forward rotation Mamu would be wise and we could add a DFS/Royce O'Neale type for probably 2nd rd picks to shore that up short-term.
Death, taxes, and LaMelo in street clothes
After going over potential solutions to our PG situation, DJ ticks the most boxes, imo.
If we assume Devin is going to stay long-term, we need a POA defender and a primary playmaker. Would also be nice if that player has a respectable shot.
The only viable target that fits those needs is DJ. If we get Garland, Trae, Topic, Dillingham or whoever else, we'd still need a POA defender.
And it's way more difficult to find a wing that's able to chase star playmakers around screens and is also able to shoot. Would also mean Jeremy has to be moved to the bench.
That's just basketball bit.
Then you look at contracts around the leauge.
DJ's contract is one of best value deals.
25/27/29/31 million a year, ending in 2028. Last year is player option. Make it 2027 if you will.
His entire prime will be really cheap.
And there are no concerns about his fit or adaptability to how Spurs run things.
Garland on the other hand might be a better shooter, but is undersized and a bad defender.
34/36/39/42/44 million a year all the way up to 2028.
Idk if he's worth the money mainly because we'd still need to find a primary defender.
The other thing we need badly is a reliable 6th man.
Someone who you can rely on to score 20 if starters are struggling.
Monk is that guy and he's a free agent. I doubt he can get more than 20 million a year anywhere.
Could give him a front-loaded deal to help us later on. Something like 25/23/21/19.
You'd have two-way playmaker with respectable shot, (hopefully) a great off-ball 22-24ppg shooting guard who's a positive defender and a 6th man that can take over if necessary.
Any combo between three of them would work.
I mentioned Highsmith because he's a FA and I thought he played good defense against the Celtics. His shoting kind of fell off, but is to be expected from a role player when stars are injured.As for the forward rotation Mamu would be wise and we could add a DFS/Royce O'Neale type for probably 2nd rd picks to shore that up short-term.
Anyhow, same thing, just a veteran forward for 15mpg or so.
With guard rotation set, Wemby developing into a parennial MVP candidate (and winner), we'd just need a forward that shoots high volume from deep and doesn't need the ball.
Markkanen is wishful thinking, I don't think Ainge lets him go this summer, but should be the priority until he actually signs an extension with the Jazz.
Wemby's extension won't kick in before 27-28 season, imagine having DJ, Devin, Monk, Lauri, Wemby on just ~$130M combined with projected cap at $155M in 25-26 or $170M in 26-27 when the new TV deal kicks in.
Strike gold with two 3-D forwards in '25 draft and...well, that's a wall of text again.
I hope you get the point why I think DJ is too good of an option not to trade for.
Plus additional draft compensation. I really like Garland. I think Wemby could elevate his play like Duncan elevated Parker.
Atlanta isn’t trading us Trae or DJ for anything less than all of their picks back.
I thought so too, but our offer would still be the best for them long-term.
It's effectively Keldon+Tre for '25 FRP. Still sucks, but they'd get two of the three picks back and two rotation players in positions they need.
I disagree. For Trae that's probably right, but DJ is on a different contract, they have a different management team, and they'd be getting a player or two. It's not as simple as 'saving face by getting everything back'.
Who scored that pick?
Update: The Hornets
I honestly think they would take less from another team than us.
We should probably get used to no teams cutting us a deal after winning the Alien draft lottery. 29 teams hate us now, and will extract maximum value in any deals, or no deal.
If they take less from us, they essentially just gave away pick or picks for free. If another team offers less, it can be spun as a marketplace shift. If we get him for less, we swindled them, twice. Sometimes it is that simple, but we can disagree on this.
No way they hate us more than the Lakers after decades of lowballing and tampering with players.
I can see West playoff teams not wanting to deal with us, but East teams won't care that much.
As if Hawks are ever going to make the finals.
It’s not about east or west or playoffs or no playoffs. They already got screwed by us once. If we get one of their guards for less than their picks back, we screwed them a second time. No one wants to be a chump.No way they hate us more than the Lakers after decades of lowballing and tampering with players.
I can see West playoff teams not wanting to deal with us, but East teams won't care that much.
As if Hawks are ever going to make the finals.
If they had the same management in place, I'd agree.... new management can easily take the best deal and throw blame/shade at rhe previous regime.... that will sell PR-wise.
They just won the lottery and it looks like they're keeping Trae.
Got some solid players, they'll dump Capela and try to get a few more pieces.
'25 FRP won't be top10 unless lightning strikes twice.
I'd rather get Keldon, Tre and two picks back than trade DJ for Ingram.
If they prefer taking whatever ty offer Lakers make, even better for us and the value of their picks we own.
Orlando is the only team that will probably make a good offer for Trae, it's unlikely they'd want DJ.
I strongly believe the difference is most of the time made with all the intengibles you can't mesure, like entourage, work ethic, IQ, charachter/determination etc
ZR already checks the box in terms of size, length, fundamentals. Then you add his entourage (dad former pro) and pre-NBA career built smartly step by step like Wemby's (he also changed club for a more adapted one with more playing time for ex)
I just heard on the Lowe podcast Givony say that ZR actually played 75(!!!) games. It's insane at his age and it's not surprising that you find streaks where he's less poductive ... at 19yo ...for his 1st eperience ... vs pros men
The same logic could be applied to other prospects in the draft in terms of entourage, ethic, IQ etc but the collegian level is really weak and 1 short season vs very diverse level of opposition doesn't give you a proper idea.
I don't see ZR as a future allstar tbh but a very versatile and reliable role player who won't have playmaking duties but will be able to defend 1-4, cut, pass and shoot the 3
I'm 100% sure he'll have a long NBA career, not sure at what level.
Most other picks I like in this draft (Reed Dilli Castle Holland Cody for ex) have maybe better upside but bigger bust probabilities as well imho
Johnson isn't a bigger small forward though, he's about the same size as Strus and Okoro (Kispert too) and isn't a floor spacer either.
No matter what some of their fans want, Okoro will probably be re-signed and they're likely to focus on the archetypes I mentioned on the trade front. The Spurs can serve as a vehicle to them via mostly draft capital, but they can't give it to them directly.
The idea of trading Garland is to have Mitc be the lone starting small guard and Johnson isn't an upgrade on Strus and Okoro.
Last edited by TD 21; 06-05-2024 at 04:05 PM.
Thanks, that actually helps my understanding.
But now new crisis according to experts after his injury we can expect Spurs to be all over Topić at #8 lol!��
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