A couple of us have said this a few times. #1 isn’t substantially better than #4, and in a crap draft more chances = better odds of hitting something.
If Topic gets surgery, which is a possibility (as Givony mentioned yesterday) and will be evaluated and discussed with NBA doctors, it's fair to consider his rookie season could be a blank one or half of it maybe. Teams won't take any risks and might even shut him down for the season, specially after he already re-injuring his knee.
Can't remember who mentioned it here already but he developed a very quick release after the catch on his 3s, volleyball style. We are starting and I beleive will continue to see that more and more in the NBA, which makes sense and give defenders less time to contest.
If PATFO thinks Risacher is the player to get in this draft and is a perfect fit, then #1 is worth more than Castle+Dillingham or whatever.
I can see them making that offer for #1 pick only if they want to seriously compete right away and are willing to trade for a couple more good players.
I think it all depends on how Washington feels about the prospects available at no. 4. They hgave a glut of wings, so If they have a few players on the same tier as Risacher (like, say, Castle or Clingan) I could see them trading back for less than #8 (say future protected first). But there's also a world where they don't move an inch and the Spurs love the fit with Risacher so much they're willing to part with both 4 and 8. I wouldn't go that far for the Spurs, but if that's their choice I don't see how Washington would reject that offer.
I'm pretty high on furph, so I'd have no problem with that....depending on who we went with on the earlier picks, filipowski, McCain and a couple others would be under consideration too.
I don't know if trading up for the #1 pick necessarily suggests winning now or a big move. Maybe they just really like Risacher for fit and they'd rather have one new player than two due to roster crunch now and especially next year with more picks coming in. In fact, we might see that strategy again of consolidating first in next year's draft as well.
But if we keep 4 and 8, looking at this through "upside", Spurs get Buzelis at 4 and then can play it safe at 8 with Carter or Knecht, or swing again with Cody.
Honestly, Buzelis and Cody both seem like Spurs types: articulate, multi dimensional and questionable motors.
I'm very high on Matas. He's #3 on my board. The only question for me is the fit with Sochan. Matas will jave to significantly improve his outside shooting to play in a lineup with Sochan. I think he will with time, but it is a question mark.
I don’t buy the “Spurs are considering trading 4 and 8 to move up to #1” talk at all. Seems like pure conjecture from Givony and it just doesn’t make sense in a draft like this. Hard to imagine they’re THAT confident in Risacher.
If Sochan handcuffs the Spurs so much in which players they can draft on account of his lack of shooting, then maybe the answer involves moving Sochan?
Not likely, at least not this season.
Imo, the obvious answer is that if we draft players who can't shoot yet, they start off the bench.
That's bc you're talking overall level's peception
Maybe PATFO isn't interested by the bpa but by a specific profile they've studied closely and think is the best fit?
In that case it wouldn't be absurd to combine 4&8 to get the 1st pick. For all the criticism tehy deserve, PATFO has done a lot more work and have access to a lot more infos than any of us.
I'm among the few who believes the team urgently needs experience and adding only 1 rookie to dev (and give playing time) is enough. Two might be too much considering their clear choice to keep developping Sochan Vassell and Co AND the need to bring more exp players via trade or free agency
Finallly, 25' in coming
I don't disagree with that.... I just think the FO does...
If you draft Buzelis you move Sochan to SF
I think Buzelis if he can't shoot will suffer like Samanic, though Buzelis does have a lot more help rim protection to his game but doesn't seem a big rebounder
He doesn't have on ball juice, he's not a playmaker, he's scoring on cuts and threes
But the problem like Samanic is that if he's not a legit three point shooter and respected as such, when push comes to shove, coaches will just go with a SF who can shoot and has wing skills. There's tons of wings who will be played as small ball 4s instead of unreliable 4s. For example, Buzelis was thought to be a target of Atlanta had they not jumped in the lottery ... Snyder would go with Bey or Hunter over him. Other guys who would get minutes at 4 in crunch time would be your Taurian Princes or Jae Crowder or Eason or Jones Jr or Hart or Keldon etc etc etc
If he's not a real threat like from 3 he'll probably be shuffled off.
Buzelis form is good so I don't think shooting will be a problem for him long term.
One, if Wembanyama is starting to call the shots to play with his buddies, we have problems. This never ends well.
Two, I'm not sure if you have trouble reading. My point, clearly stated, is that using the 8 to move up is wild overpay.
I'm not against moving up in this draft. I've pitched moving from 8 to 6 to secure Castle. I'm pointing out, with the Luka/Trae deal, that it didn't take as much to make that move in a better draft. Picks in a current draft are always more valuable than the same picks further out.
Paying 4 + 8 to move up two slots is straight up overpaying to move up in this draft. Yet for some reason Givony is deciding to set the price. It's really crazy. It's almost like he's trying to prevent it from happening. Or Atlanta or the Wizards are trying to set a price for their picks.
So... I can see the Spurs trying to move up to get Risacher. I hope it's not just to make Victor happy. If they burn that 8 pick just to move up two ticks to get him, we're going to have an extremely perturbed fanbase, including me. Not simply because of the quality of player they secure, who is on the same level as both players they could get otherwise, but because they paid through the nose to get there.
The whole issue is the fake cost.
yes. that makes it the opinion of a group, but not yet common sense. using that logic, whenever the draft locks bad, you would try to get as many picks as you can? a couple of us might say this isn't the best strategy.
If the Spurs ended up with something like 2 + 20 in exchange for 4 + 8 + 35, that’s OK. Like TD 21 said.
to see things from a different perspective than you doesn't necessarily mean reading troubles.
things might look different from a different angle. that's all.
and I think the approach, to not even try to make Wemby happy, because this might end up getting a spoiled player who tries to get involved with FO decissions......well....I could tell you one thing for sure what causes an extremly perturbed fanbase.......that's Wemby not wanting to extend his rookie contract in SA, because of a FO not willing to make him happy because he might get spoiled.
Tbh, letting Wemby have his way once only for it to fail miserably would be a good way to make him realize not to question people who are actually paid to scout, evaluate, trade and draft players.
(I'm not saying that Wemby will even do soemthing like this, just in case it happens.)
Spurs starting lineup needs, no particular order:So... I can see the Spurs trying to move up to get Risacher. I hope it's not just to make Victor happy. If they burn that 8 pick just to move up two ticks to get him, we're going to have an extremely perturbed fanbase, including me. Not simply because of the quality of player they secure, who is on the same level as both players they could get otherwise, but because they paid through the nose to get there.
1) Primary playmaker.
2) Shooting.
3) Point of attack defender.
4) Perimeter defense in general.
Risacher is the only prospect who fills at least one need on both sides of the floor and he looks to be the safest pick, even if his ceiling isn't that high.
Other than him, it's either defenders that can't shoot or shooters that can't defend. Or theoretical players who need to improve everything in order to even stay in the league.
Other than Risacher, Dillingham would fill playmaking and shooting needs, but he'd be the worst defender in the league.
I'm not that high on Risacher, but I can see the logic if they think his floor is a solid 3-D player with upside to develop into elite 3-D player.
With the way the game is being played today, an elite wing defender that shoots 40% from deep on 8 attempts per game would be invaluable.
Zacch is the best bet on this draft to adress our wing problem. This is a no brainer for me. The amount of shooting we need with a Center centric offense is being undersold. That kind of shooting also has to be able to stay on the floor. Zacch is the best bet to do this.
I do believe they could reject it. They were pleased with how Bilal evolved this season and trends or (perceived) patterns may have an influence on drafting, specially uncertain drafts. They certainly see Risacher as a a bigger upside player than Coulibaly and the fact spurs would be high on Zach would comfort them on that.
But who knows.
Last edited by JPB; 06-06-2024 at 09:12 AM.
Yeah Sochan gets one more year to figure out his shot before he becomes a non consideration in long term roster construction. His lack of shooting really cripples the Spurs ability to swing on players of a similar archetype who might develop their jumper and become a star.
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