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    FWIW, I tried simulating the Spurs on 2K by adding a bunch of different prospects (Risacher, Castle, Dillingham, Topic, and Salaun) to the roster. Here are my observations:

    1. Risacher is such a good fit on this current roster.
    2. The rotations were more sensible when a PG like Dillingham or Topic was on the roster.
    3. Castle can start at the 3 between Vassell and Sochan.
    4. Backup 4 is a sneaky need for this team right now, unless you believe in Bassey.

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    FWIW, I tried simulating the Spurs on 2K by adding a bunch of different prospects (Risacher, Castle, Dillingham, Topic, and Salaun) to the roster. Here are my observations:

    1. Risacher is such a good fit on this current roster.
    2. The rotations were more sensible when a PG like Dillingham or Topic was on the roster.
    3. Castle can start at the 3 between Vassell and Sochan.
    4. Backup 4 is a sneaky need for this team right now, unless you believe in Bassey.
    Rob Dillingham and Kyle Filipowski. Got it.

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    If PATFO thinks Risacher is the player to get in this draft and is a perfect fit, then #1 is worth more than Castle+Dillingham or whatever.
    I can see them making that offer for #1 pick only if they want to seriously compete right away and are willing to trade for a couple more good players.
    Spurs rarely lock-in on a player like that, this wouldn’t likely be a draft where they would, and I’m not sure Risacher is any better than Salaun or Cody Williams. I’ll grant your possible scenario where they really want Risacher, but I’m not buying Givoney’s BSPN click bait. He’s an analytics and talent evaluator guy, not an insider info guy, and he’s already been wrong about the extent of Topic’s injury by listening to his “sources”.

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    4. Backup 4 is a sneaky need for this team right now, unless you believe in Bassey.
    Actually, starting four is but it'll continue to be handed to Sochan.

    At the notion of Bassey being able to play the four.

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    Spurs rarely lock-in on a player like that, this wouldn’t likely be a draft where they would, and I’m not sure Risacher is any better than Salaun or Cody Williams. I’ll grant your possible scenario where they really want Risacher, but I’m not buying Givoney’s BSPN click bait. He’s an analytics and talent evaluator guy, not an insider info guy, and he’s already been wrong about the extent of Topic’s injury by listening to his “sources”.
    I don't trust anyone until the draft happens, I'm just trying to find some logic in it.
    Another scenario that's not that far fetched would be #1 for #4 and '26 Hawks swap returned.
    Would effectively mean Spurs traded up in '24 draft to potentially trade down in '26.
    Hawks still won't be able to tank since the won't have '25 and '27 picks, so that swap would realistically be moving down from #10 or so pick to mid-late teens.

    Would work for Hawks if they want Clingan.

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    I'm pretty high on furph, so I'd have no problem with that....depending on who we went with on the earlier picks, filipowski, McCain and a couple others would be under consideration too.
    Furphy still intrigues me among later guys in the round. If he gets to a good situation, I can see him popping in a few years. Cody Williams and Matas Buzelis were very highly regarded and ranked American high school recruits. Furphy was practically unknown until Kansas heard about him. He wasn't supposed to have any role for the Jayhawks until their own highly touted recruit underperformed.

    Furphy. Struggled to fill into lead scoring categories when McCuellar went down. Strictly off-ball at this point, but flashes of more. He wasn't capable of setting others up or getting himself good shots, but I think it's for lack of skill and seasoning, not incapability. He was on fire from deep, then cooled off. His defense is supposedly suspect but I feel it's better than many say. It's also a skill/seasoning thing. Won't project as a stopper, but still okay. What I love is his hustle and motor. Thrives on contact, gets lots of boards that shouldn't be in play. Doesn't mind putting up shots even when missing. A great finisher inside.

    He's the anti-Cody in a way, who doesn't rebound (Furph gets twice as many in the same time frames), who only shoots when absolutely open. (Basically, Furphy understands that a shooter needs to put them up to maintain the threat. Not jack crazy ones, of course, but when you get swing-arounds, you can't hesitate.)

    https://www.tankathon.com/players/co...-cody-williams

    Here is Buzelis vs. Williams vs. Furphy

    Buzelis to me is more of a PF. His strengths are weak-side shotblocking. Good athlete in open space. Good rebounding stats, but so do most Ignite players (I'd love to see breakdown of Ignite rebounding vs. how they do in the NBA. My guess is it's inflated.)

    Williams got huge bumps for his sibling, and was playing very well early in the non-conference. Then everything started cratering. His BPM was twice as high as it is now, thereabouts. He's a lanky, long, fluid athlete who is deliberate (slow) in much of what he does. Furphy is much more of a faster, high-motor guy.

    Just interesting how things started an how Buzelis and Williams stuck in the top 10 despite big question marks. Furphy, coming in late, was never going to make it through all of the 20-30 players who were perceived to be better than him even as he hit the draft landscape. I'm unconvinced they are 10-15 slots better in potential than him.

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    I don't trust anyone until the draft happens, I'm just trying to find some logic in it.
    Another scenario that's not that far fetched would be #1 for #4 and '26 Hawks swap returned.
    Would effectively mean Spurs traded up in '24 draft to potentially trade down in '26.
    Hawks still won't be able to tank since the won't have '25 and '27 picks, so that swap would realistically be moving down from #10 or so pick to mid-late teens.

    Would work for Hawks if they want Clingan.
    GMs have to account for fan narrative and expectation more than we think, I believe. I can't imagine the Hawks front office surviving a whirlwind of local media and fan questions giving up a first round pick's spot just to get a swap in the future returned.

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    Yeah Sochan gets one more year to figure out his shot before he becomes a non consideration in long term roster construction. His lack of shooting really cripples the Spurs ability to swing on players of a similar archetype who might develop their jumper and become a star.
    That's just our/observers perception.

    I'm 100% sure Pop will extend him even with a poor 3pt shooting. He's that much in love

    Dude almost cried comparing him to Manu smh

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    Actually, starting four is but it'll continue to be handed to Sochan.

    At the notion of Bassey being able to play the four.
    2K was putting Bassey at the 4 and Collins at the 5.

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    I've been wondering a bit about the possibility of drafting a 5 (say Clingan or Edey if one of them is BPA at 8) and moving Collins to the 4. Could this work?

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    Another observation from the 2K simulation was that the Dillingham-Branham bench backcourt was a disaster defensively, exacerbated by a lack of size. Topic-Branham made more sense, because then you could have Branham guard the opposing team’s point guard and Topic the opposing team’s shooting guard.

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    If the Spurs are truly interest in appeasing Wemby, they’re drafting Salaun, not Risacher. Their families are already close, due to each daughter playing basketball together. He’s also had positive comments about Tidjane. Zacharrie is a guy he knows a bit.

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    Givoney isn’t the most plugged in guy for rumors.
    my modus operandi is not to give it any credence unless i hear it from woj or shams.

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    Furphy still intrigues me among later guys in the round. If he gets to a good situation, I can see him popping in a few years. Cody Williams and Matas Buzelis were very highly regarded and ranked American high school recruits. Furphy was practically unknown until Kansas heard about him. He wasn't supposed to have any role for the Jayhawks until their own highly touted recruit underperformed.

    Furphy. Struggled to fill into lead scoring categories when McCuellar went down. Strictly off-ball at this point, but flashes of more. He wasn't capable of setting others up or getting himself good shots, but I think it's for lack of skill and seasoning, not incapability. He was on fire from deep, then cooled off. His defense is supposedly suspect but I feel it's better than many say. It's also a skill/seasoning thing. Won't project as a stopper, but still okay. What I love is his hustle and motor. Thrives on contact, gets lots of boards that shouldn't be in play. Doesn't mind putting up shots even when missing. A great finisher inside.

    He's the anti-Cody in a way, who doesn't rebound (Furph gets twice as many in the same time frames), who only shoots when absolutely open. (Basically, Furphy understands that a shooter needs to put them up to maintain the threat. Not jack crazy ones, of course, but when you get swing-arounds, you can't hesitate.)

    https://www.tankathon.com/players/co...-cody-williams

    Here is Buzelis vs. Williams vs. Furphy

    Buzelis to me is more of a PF. His strengths are weak-side shotblocking. Good athlete in open space. Good rebounding stats, but so do most Ignite players (I'd love to see breakdown of Ignite rebounding vs. how they do in the NBA. My guess is it's inflated.)

    Williams got huge bumps for his sibling, and was playing very well early in the non-conference. Then everything started cratering. His BPM was twice as high as it is now, thereabouts. He's a lanky, long, fluid athlete who is deliberate (slow) in much of what he does. Furphy is much more of a faster, high-motor guy.

    Just interesting how things started an how Buzelis and Williams stuck in the top 10 despite big question marks. Furphy, coming in late, was never going to make it through all of the 20-30 players who were perceived to be better than him even as he hit the draft landscape. I'm unconvinced they are 10-15 slots better in potential than him.
    Furphy is very interesting. He can be a 2 or 3. Buzelis is a 4 all the way in my book. His fit next to Sochan is my only concern there. If his outside shot develops the way I think it will then they be able to share the floor in a year or two. I've been high on Buzelis from almost the beginning. Williams...ehh... I'm not out on him, but depending on what #pick we're talking about I might prefer to go elsewhere.

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    Actually, starting four is but it'll continue to be handed to Sochan.

    At the notion of Bassey being able to play the four.
    yeah... they've tried with Barlow but it hasnt been great. bassey isnt remotely close to being a 4

    but at you seriously responding to a post about NBA 2k simulations for real world analysis

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    Yeah, the Spurs need to shed a couple centers and find PFs who can shoot the three.

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    yeah... they've tried with Barlow but it hasnt been great. bassey isnt remotely close to being a 4

    but at you seriously responding to a post about NBA 2k simulations for real world analysis
    To be fair, Uriel is probably the equivalent of the old man in 2k tbh.

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    FWIW, I tried simulating the Spurs on 2K by adding a bunch of different prospects (Risacher, Castle, Dillingham, Topic, and Salaun) to the roster. Here are my observations:

    1. Risacher is such a good fit on this current roster.
    2. The rotations were more sensible when a PG like Dillingham or Topic was on the roster.
    3. Castle can start at the 3 between Vassell and Sochan.
    4. Backup 4 is a sneaky need for this team right now, unless you believe in Bassey.
    I like the analysis. I know it's a bit tongue in cheek, but I actually agree with all of these points except 3. I don't know where Castle will actually fit, since he is demanding to be a PG. He might become a sulky whine-wad if we draft him and make him play position-less.

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    I like the analysis. I know it's a bit tongue in cheek, but I actually agree with all of these points except 3. I don't know where Castle will actually fit, since he is demanding to be a PG. He might become a sulky whine-wad if we draft him and make him play position-less.
    I just think he doesn't want to be drafted by the Hornets tbh.

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    Sam Vecenie did a mock mock draft trade every pick podcast. There mock trades were garbage for the spurs lol he proposed.

    #4 and next years ATL pick for #1
    or
    #4 for Ayo Dosunmu and #11

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    From CBS sports.

    Nikola Topic

    Pro comp: Shai Gilgeous-Alexander
    The scouting report for SGA as a prospect: crafty, smooth, downright slithery. That's copy+paste what I see when I watch Topic. He doesn't win with burst or athleticism. He wins with smarts and leverage and sees the game at a high level. His passing and feel make him one of the most well-rounded players in this class.

    Delusional.

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    Sam Vecenie did a mock mock draft trade every pick podcast. There mock trades were garbage for the spurs lol he proposed.

    #4 and next years ATL pick for #1
    or
    #4 for Ayo Dosunmu and #11
    Pass on both

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    Topic reportedly has a 6’5.5” wingspan, according to Givony.

    Haven’t see the official numbers posted yet but this is presumably from the recent measurements in Treviso

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    I agree on passing on both of those, but wouldn't be opposed to giving up 8, 35 for Ayo and 11.

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    Topic reportedly has a 6’5.5” wingspan, according to Givony.

    Haven’t see the official numbers posted yet but this is presumably from the recent measurements in Treviso
    He's 6'7 with a 6'5 wingspan? Lol that's not good.

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