Devin Carter - From Second Round to Potential Lottery

[onechance87]

What is he REALLY good at?

You need at least one area above average to exist in NBA

really good at defending and rebounding.Great hustle guy,If his shot is foreal,This is the guy you want.
Seems confident and not afraid taking shots and making happen.

[Ariel]

What is he REALLY good at?

You need at least one area above average to exist in NBA

I remember asking about him a few months ago and I got two positive replies by I think SpursBills and MrBody, so I checked a couple of the last Providence games. He was pretty much as advertised, a bully of a PG who's a madman on the boards and plays really hard on D fighting through every screen, not really a playmaker or self creator but adequate at both, with an unorthodox but effective 3 pt shot even from deep. Personally I'd favor point guards with what I perceive to be a higher degree of creation potential (hence why I'm higher on Dillingham) but he looks like a really good bet to be a long term productive player with perhaps upside to grow into more if his shot translates, which is a question mark IMO since his release is a bit slow and wasn't as good in his freshman and sop re seasons. All things considered he's not my main guy at 8, he'd be probably a worthwhile late lottery pick in every other draft, but if the Spurs can trade back and get him plus something else of value, it wouldn't be a bad deal IMO.

[Strategic]

Here’s what Carter showed in the 2 games against UConn this year. I didn’t watch either game and I know 2 games is a small sample size. Both games look to have been compe ive. Combined, he scored 44 points on 37 shots. This includes 3/11 from the arc. He sucked from the FT line. 24 rebounds wow. A volume shooter that can’t make free throws. Not sure if they were guarding each other but Castle shot 50% from the field in the 2 games, including behind the arc. Not sure why the Spurs would look twice at Carter.

[Ariel]

Here’s what Carter showed in the 2 games against UConn this year. I didn’t watch either game and I know 2 games is a small sample size. Both games look to have been compe ive. Combined, he scored 44 points on 37 shots. This includes 3/11 from the arc. He sucked from the FT line. 24 rebounds wow. A volume shooter that can’t make free throws. Not sure if they were guarding each other but Castle shot 50% from the field in the 2 games, including behind the arc. Not sure why the Spurs would look twice at Carter.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb...-carter-3.html
Small sample. He shot 37.7% from 3 for the whole season on 6.8 3PA per game (84/223) and 74.9% from the line (128/171).

[SpursFan86]

Here’s what Carter showed in the 2 games against UConn this year. I didn’t watch either game and I know 2 games is a small sample size. Both games look to have been compe ive. Combined, he scored 44 points on 37 shots. This includes 3/11 from the arc. He sucked from the FT line. 24 rebounds wow. A volume shooter that can’t make free throws. Not sure if they were guarding each other but Castle shot 50% from the field in the 2 games, including behind the arc. Not sure why the Spurs would look twice at Carter.

Going out on a limb here but I’m guessing the Spurs aren’t basing their decisions on a 2 game sample size. Sounds crazy but there might be more to consider.

[Mr. Body]

Here’s what Carter showed in the 2 games against UConn this year. I didn’t watch either game and I know 2 games is a small sample size. Both games look to have been compe ive. Combined, he scored 44 points on 37 shots. This includes 3/11 from the arc. He sucked from the FT line. 24 rebounds wow. A volume shooter that can’t make free throws. Not sure if they were guarding each other but Castle shot 50% from the field in the 2 games, including behind the arc. Not sure why the Spurs would look twice at Carter.

He played well against UConn, even very well. The Huskies were throttling a lot of players like him.

[Pauleta14]

From what I understand: blocks, steals, rebounds, POA defense and defense in general look to be from very good to elite.

The issue is that he has improved on offense to be an above average shooter for this last year, a distinction from other elite defenders.

really good at defending and rebounding.Great hustle guy,If his shot is foreal,This is the guy you want.
Seems confident and not afraid taking shots and making happen.

I remember asking about him a few months ago and I got two positive replies by I think SpursBills and MrBody, so I checked a couple of the last Providence games. He was pretty much as advertised, a bully of a PG who's a madman on the boards and plays really hard on D fighting through every screen, not really a playmaker or self creator but adequate at both, with an unorthodox but effective 3 pt shot even from deep. Personally I'd favor point guards with what I perceive to be a higher degree of creation potential (hence why I'm higher on Dillingham) but he looks like a really good bet to be a long term productive player with perhaps upside to grow into more if his shot translates, which is a question mark IMO since his release is a bit slow and wasn't as good in his freshman and sop re seasons. All things considered he's not my main guy at 8, he'd be probably a worthwhile late lottery pick in every other draft, but if the Spurs can trade back and get him plus something else of value, it wouldn't be a bad deal IMO.

Thx guys.


Ariel, as much as I'd agree normally on the necessary creativity for a PG, Wemby's playmaking can erase that imo

I'm learning about him tbh but I like that his father was a pro. You all seems to describe a fundamentally sound player

I'm a bit concerned by his size that in my book is only fine if you're a special offensive player. He's just 1" taller than Tre Jones

[The Truth #6]

Thx guys.


Ariel, as much as I'd agree normally on the necessary creativity for a PG, Wemby's playmaking can erase that imo

I'm learning about him tbh but I like that his father was a pro. You all seems to describe a fundamentally sound player

I'm a bit concerned by his size that in my book is only fine if you're a special offensive player. He's just 1" taller than Tre Jones

I suppose another plus is elite combine numbers. +6" wingspan. 42" vertical. The fastest 3/4 sprint of all time in the Combine, I think. So that adds to his theoretical upside. Very hard worker. Team player.

[exstatic]

Thx guys.


Ariel, as much as I'd agree normally on the necessary creativity for a PG, Wemby's playmaking can erase that imo

I'm learning about him tbh but I like that his father was a pro. You all seems to describe a fundamentally sound player

I'm a bit concerned by his size that in my book is only fine if you're a special offensive player. He's just 1" taller than Tre Jones

Spurs trivia, old timers knowledge edition:

Anthony Carter wound up as a Spur because his agent ed up and forgot to exercise his player option with the Heat. He had a good relationship with the Spurs, and PATFO signed AC to a contract at the amount he would have gotten from Miami had his agent picked up the option.

[Mr. Body]

I don't think a player necessarily has to have an elite skill to stick in the league. There are other avenues. That said, he has superior skills that will keep him on the court. Just is more of an undersized SG, which is okay.

[Mr. Body]

Spurs trivia, old timers knowledge edition:

Anthony Carter wound up as a Spur because his agent ed up and forgot to exercise his player option with the Heat. He had a good relationship with the Spurs, and PATFO signed AC to a contract at the amount he would have gotten from Miami had his agent picked up the option.

Iirc that agent up gave Miami enough room to go out and sign LeBron James.

Similar to how the league failed to even out the cap change in the new CBA, instead making it a lump increase, and this allowed them to sign Durant.

Two supposed ups transformed the league for twenty years.

[exstatic]

Iirc that agent up gave Miami enough room to go out and sign LeBron James.

Similar to how the league failed to even out the cap change in the new CBA, instead making it a lump increase, and this allowed them to sign Durant.

Two supposed ups transformed the league for twenty years.

It was 6 years before LeBron/2010 superfriends gathering.

[LeBowen]

It was 6 years before LeBron/2010 superfriends gathering.

And Warriors were able to sign Durant because Steph was on a ridiculously cheap rookie extension due to his injury history.
Klay and Draymond were also still on their rookie extensions.

No CBA could've prevented what KD did. It's just that all the stars alligned for them.
And they had to let Barnes go.

[exstatic]

And Warriors were able to sign Durant because Steph was on a ridiculously cheap rookie extension due to his injury history.
Klay and Draymond were also still on their rookie extensions.

No CBA could've prevented what KD did. It's just that all the stars alligned for them.
And they had to let Barnes go.

What does that have to do with Anthony Carter?

[LeBowen]

What does that have to do with Anthony Carter?

Damn, my bad.

I quoted the wrong post.

That reply was meant for this:

Similar to how the league failed to even out the cap change in the new CBA, instead making it a lump increase, and this allowed them to sign Durant.

[Mr. Body]

It was 6 years before LeBron/2010 superfriends gathering.

Ok, it either allowed something to happen or there was another complete fluke. Whatever.

[Mr. Body]

The mess with Carter allowed Miami space to put together their first championship.

https://www.basketballnetwork.net/ol...t-championship

[SOMA Spur]

I do that. I’d also do 4 for 7+14 if that opportunity presented itself even though that means SA loses out on their chance to get their highest ranked guy at 4.

Wondering where Carter is ranked on their board - could HE be as high as 4?

This trade down scenario with Portland is one I've been batting around the last few days. If Sarr, Rizz, Castle are gone, and Carter is next up on their board, time to trade down #4 for 7+14. Grab Carter at 7, a wing at 8 (Knecht, maybe Matas if he's available), and your project at 14 (Salaun, Topic, Holland, Edey, whatever guy thats ranked 30+ who they'd love to draft in the lottery).

Took a deeper dive with Carter's film and stats this weekend. Finally a guy who plays WAY above his size. Rebounding's elite, blocks, athleticism, a defensive dog. The shot still needs work but this season he doubled his volume and improved from 30% to 38% from 3, so he's definitely headed in the right direction there. Just seems like a guy you want to go to war with (similar to Castle). Doesn't look like anyone will touch him until maybe #9 with the Grizz (his Dads an assistant). So if he's the Spurs guy, lots of room here for crafty trades to maximize value, and I'd be down for it.

[exstatic]

The mess with Carter allowed Miami space to put together their first championship.

https://www.basketballnetwork.net/ol...t-championship

The first one, not the LeBron ones that you originally stated.

[scottspurs]

Carter worked out against Stephon Castle in San Antonio for the Spurs according to ESPN’s latest mock

[onechance87]

Carter worked out against Stephon Castle in San Antonio for the Spurs according to ESPN’s latest mock

draft em both

[LeBowen]

draft em both

Tbh, I wouldn't mind.
Keep Tre one more year until these two develop point guard skills.

If Castle and Carter develop close to their best case scenario, our guard rotation would be set for many years with two of them and Devin.

[BackHome]

Wondering where Carter is ranked on their board - could HE be as high as 4?

This trade down scenario with Portland is one I've been batting around the last few days. If Sarr, Rizz, Castle are gone, and Carter is next up on their board, time to trade down #4 for 7+14. Grab Carter at 7, a wing at 8 (Knecht, maybe Matas if he's available), and your project at 14 (Salaun, Topic, Holland, Edey, whatever guy thats ranked 30+ who they'd love to draft in the lottery).

Took a deeper dive with Carter's film and stats this weekend. Finally a guy who plays WAY above his size. Rebounding's elite, blocks, athleticism, a defensive dog. The shot still needs work but this season he doubled his volume and improved from 30% to 38% from 3, so he's definitely headed in the right direction there. Just seems like a guy you want to go to war with (similar to Castle). Doesn't look like anyone will touch him until maybe #9 with the Grizz (his Dads an assistant). So if he's the Spurs guy, lots of room here for crafty trades to maximize value, and I'd be down for it.

I just read about a proposed trade deal with Portland where they give us there 14th pick and Brogdon for Keldon Johnson. Not sure about the trade, but even at 14 I don't think Carter will be there I think he goes 8 - 12 in this draft

[ZeusWillJudge]

He's widely recognized as one of the better on-ball defenders in the draft, and his lateral agility is exceptional. Before his shooting improvement last season, the thought was that defense would be his ticket in the NBA. His height is one of the big issues (reportedly) but between his wingspan (basically the same as Dalton Knecht and Stephon Castle) and leaping ability, he doesn't play small on the boards. He had consecutive seasons with 30+ blocks which, for a guy his height, is incredible.

He had the best max vertical, the best standing vertical, the fastest time in the 3/4 sprint, third best lane agility time, and tenth best shuttle run time (tied with Buzelis). People always that they want the Spurs to have more athleticism. This is the player with the most athleticism in the whole draft. I don't know if you would call him "elite", but pretty damned close. Get him out in front of a fast break with Wemby trailing? The crowd goes wild.

There are guys whose per game numbers look good, but only in spot minutes. They don't hold up at the same rate when they're in the game for longer stints. Carter played 33 games and averaged over 35 minutes. 1165 minutes total this season. Compared to two other players who are getting a lot of mention, Stephon Castle played 918 minutes total, and Cody Williams totaled 681 minutes. And since I saw a comment about him playing at Providence, they had a strength of schedule of 8.93 compared to 8.70 for UConn (Castle) and 8.36 for Colorado (Cody Williams). So Carter's numbers are legit, and against overall high level compe ion.

His 3P% jumped from .299 to .377 in a single season. That could be a fluke... but his 3P attempts also increased from 117 to 223, which is a meaningful sample size. Cody Williams shot .415 from 3P, but he only put up 41 of them. He's not the first kid to come out of college sporting "poor shot selection", but at least part of that is not having much help and being forced to try and do too much. He's a smart player - he'll learn.

The holy grail is a player who can defend multiple positions, and that's the concern about his height. Just under 50% of the 6'2" and under players (Carter was 6'2.25 in bare feet) drafted since 2003 have stuck in the NBA. But a lot of those were second round picks, and the overall "stick" rate for all second round picks in aggregate is actually under 39%. His speed, lateral movement, and reach will at least allow him to keep opposing 3's honest, but yeah some bigger players are going to shoot over him.

He's not a PG, period. And the Spurs need a PG - not just to "get better" but to start developing a comfort level with Wemby. But there aren't many real PG's out there, and they're coveted. Isaiah Collier may be the best and most underrated one in the draft, but he's not likely to be a game-changer, and he's the same height as Carter. It's hard to have two 6'2" players on the court at the same time, and that's where Topic's size would have made a stronger case for drafting Carter. But assuming the Spurs don't make any crazy deals, if he's there at 8 you just take him. If they can get him by trading down and getting some other asset, even better. But you can't teach speed and athleticism.

For the record, I've become a big believer in players who come from basketball families, both from genetics and from getting good instruction almost from birth. I like Cody Williams, especially as Jalen Williams' little brother. Tidjane Salaun also comes from a family of good players. But Castle insists his natural position is PG, so if the Spurs see that in him, get him at 4 and Carter at 8 and head to camp.

[LeBowen]

He's not a PG, period.

Great post, but I wouldn't say that he can't become a PG.
DJ wasn't close to being a PG when he got drafted.

It's obvious we don't want a heliocentric PG.
Carter could develop his skills and be useful enough when sharing the ball with other players that have playmaking skills.
As you said, I also wouldn't be opposed to Castle+Carter draft. It would look rough early on, but if we're going back to sharing the ball playstyle, it could work a few years down the line.