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    Taking a swing at#19 is not senseless in my book, especially not with two firsts.
    Any time you reach for a player that can be had way later by trading down, it is senless, tbh.

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    Any time you reach for a player that can be had way later by trading down, it is senless, tbh.
    Very few teams ever trade down from a position like that. They tend to trade out, like OKC with Sengün.

    The back half of the first round is a desert, for the most part. The NBA half life of the players is short. I didn’t even hate his skill set, just his at ude. If you were to take 2019 Samanic, rename him Goran Ianovic and drop him into this draft, he’d be top 5 mocked. He was unceremoniously cut in training camp by Pop, and is still sniffing around the edges of the NBA. Not surprising, as 6’10 guys with perimeter skills don’t grown on trees.

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    How in a scouting report does one distinguish between one 19-year-old that can progress in his skill set and another one that cannot? Is there anything more than guesswork involved?

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    Now I remember why I have you on ignore. You're a racist piece of .

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    Now I remember why I have you on ignore. You're a racist piece of .
    I’m on ignore? You must not take that function very seriously, then.

    I’m not really a racist, it’s just that almost every player you like or advocate for is a white American dude. Someone else actually pointed that out in another thread. Maybe that makes you the racist.

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    I’m on ignore? You must not take that function very seriously, then.

    I’m not really a racist, it’s just that almost every player you like or advocate for is a white American dude. Someone else actually pointed that out in another thread. Maybe that makes you the racist.
    If you aren’t drafting white SEC players, that means you’re woke and probably tanking.

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    I’m on ignore? You must not take that function very seriously, then.

    I’m not really a racist, it’s just that almost every player you like or advocate for is a white American dude. Someone else actually pointed that out in another thread. Maybe that makes you the racist.
    I only see your posts when you quote me, otherwise I don't see from you. Stop quoting me.

    I don't pay attention to the skin color of the people I like. I pay attention to their game. YOU, on the other hand...bring up skin color. To the absurd point of even bringing up the skin color of the players OTHER people like. That's not only the definition of being a racist piece of ...it's a ing sickness. WTF is wrong with you?

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    Risacher will travel to the US tomorrow and start working out for teams including Hawks and Spurs.


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    Interesting take by Givony on Zach's defense:

    Best off-ball defender: Zaccharie Risacher, SF, Bourg (France)

    Off-ball defense is a skill that takes most players years to learn because of the intricacies of simultaneously tracking the ball as well as their man, being aware of low-man rotation responsibilities, knowing when to deny, when to fill gaps, when to gamble for steals and how to best effectively communicate with teammates on the fly, etc. In Risacher, ESPN's Top 100 No. 1 prospect, an NBA team will be getting a player who is well ahead of his years on the defensive end, particularly regarding his ability to navigate screens.

    Bourg, the No. 1-ranked defense in both the French League and EuroCup, often tasked Risacher with guarding the other team's best scorer, even diminutive point guards, which you rarely see from a 6-10 teenager at this level. Risacher's activity staying connected to opponents off the ball, fluidity "getting skinny" fighting through or over the top of screens, and quickness covering ground to get back into plays to contest shots with his 8-11 standing reach (on par with most NBA power forwards) made him uniquely effective with his high-level awareness, instincts and intensity level. As he fills out his 195-pound frame, he should continue to improve. -- Givony

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    Risacher will travel to the US tomorrow and start working out for teams including Hawks and Spurs.

    His workout with the Spurs is being publicized. That means they’re not really interested.

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    that‘s a bit confusing. Risacher, Salaun, Ajinca all come in with athletic test numbers worse than the most 280+lbs center usually display…..
    Americans were practicing the combine drills for over a month before the combine started as part of their draft prep. The Europeans were playing basketball. You should get better at anything you repeatedly practice at. So these players will have an advantage during the pre-game drill compe ion, oh wait.....

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    "Woke" has become the new, compulsive way for conservative, reactionary people feeling they have no grip on things, and no argument whatsoever, to say "I disagree with you" (and eventually "do you think being more open-minded and tolerant than me makes you a better person?").

    Then somehow convince themselves it is some kind of ultimate term that will devastate its recipient who couldn't actually give less and just roll their eyes.

    Woke, woke, woke, woke, woke...

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    "Woke" has become the new, compulsive way for conservative, reactionary people feeling they have no grip on things, and no argument whatsoever, to say "I disagree with you" (and eventually "do you think being more open-minded and tolerant than me makes you a better person?").

    Then somehow convince themselves it is some kind of ultimate term that will devastate its recipient who couldn't actually give less and just roll their eyes.

    Woke, woke, woke, woke, woke...
    If Spurstalk weren’t so woke, would it allow all these furriner commielibs to come in and shat all over the forum with their American-player-hating takes? Woke just ruins everything. I hope Trump has enough space in his second-term agenda to purge the woke out of basketball.

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    Just trade #4 and #8 to the Wizards for #2 and #26. Get Risacher at 2, and an interesting prospect would be there at 26. Some likely better than whoever gets picked at 4 or 8.

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    Just trade #4 and #8 to the Wizards for #2 and #26. Get Risacher at 2, and an interesting prospect would be there at 26. Some likely better than whoever gets picked at 4 or 8.
    Then trade 26 and 35 to Cleveland for 20. Hat tip to TD 21.

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    What about moving up to #1 by returning '26 swap rights?

    There were some reports Hawks want Clingan, I think they'd be interested.

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    Just thought up of a couple more comps for this guy… Trevor Ariza and Rashard Lewis. Maybe he’ll end up somewhere in between…
    I mean in a redo of a very good 1998 draft Rashard Lewis would have gone #5, behind Dirk, Pierce, Carter, and Bibby. Might even be able to argue he should go #4.

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    Just trade #4 and #8 to the Wizards for #2 and #26. Get Risacher at 2, and an interesting prospect would be there at 26. Some likely better than whoever gets picked at 4 or 8.
    no.

    Guys. Seriously. It took only one future FRP, protected 1-5, to move up two spots in the Trae Young and Luka Doncic trade. Last year, Washington and Indiana swapped spots and it cost two SRPs.

    The idea of using an 8 combined with a 4 to move up two spots in this draft is ing horrendously stupid. I get that Givony said it, but he has agendas and/or is just another ESPN idiot spewing out garbage.

    It's massive, massive overpay. Just stop.

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    What about moving up to #1 by returning '26 swap rights?

    There were some reports Hawks want Clingan, I think they'd be interested.
    Also no.

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    What about moving up to #1 by returning '26 swap rights?

    There were some reports Hawks want Clingan, I think they'd be interested.
    Nah I'd want no part of that with AJ Dybantsa and Cameron Boozer in the 26 class, especially considering they might have to dump Trae for pennies on the dollar next summer (if they don't do it this summer).

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    "Woke" has become the new, compulsive way for conservative, reactionary people feeling they have no grip on things, and no argument whatsoever, to say "I disagree with you" (and eventually "do you think being more open-minded and tolerant than me makes you a better person?").

    Then somehow convince themselves it is some kind of ultimate term that will devastate its recipient who couldn't actually give less and just roll their eyes.

    Woke, woke, woke, woke, woke...
    Exactly but don’t forget that magas tend to be cognitively more challenged.

    https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs...urnalCode=sppa

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    Then trade 26 and 35 to Cleveland for 20. Hat tip to TD 21.
    I think I prefer 26 and 35 to just 20. 26 and 35 may get you Carlington and Chomche, two players I'm really high on.

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    My logic is that Hawks won't get much worse as long as they don't own their picks.
    And what are the odds of them moving into top4 again from 10-15 range?

    Can this draft already be over with, it's a completely uncharted territory for us.
    Talking about all the potential draftees with worse picks is fun because noone expects them to be franchise altering, but when it's two top10 picks in a draft full of uncertainty, it gets stressful.
    One of these picks absolutely must develop into at least a Devin level player.

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    no.

    Guys. Seriously. It took only one future FRP, protected 1-5, to move up two spots in the Trae Young and Luka Doncic trade. Last year, Washington and Indiana swapped spots and it cost two SRPs.

    The idea of using an 8 combined with a 4 to move up two spots in this draft is ing horrendously stupid. I get that Givony said it, but he has agendas and/or is just another ESPN idiot spewing out garbage.

    It's massive, massive overpay. Just stop.
    How's that better than trading two first round picks for two first round picks in a draft where every prospect looks mediocre?

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    Anyways, the point is that with each passing day I'm more and more convinced with trading up for this guy (as long as we don't get robbed. #4 and #8 for #2 straight up is a no).

    This guy seems like the most sure thing to be a contributor on both sides of the floor.

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