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Im 100% fine with moving back as well
Of course, they WANT their picks. So you are saying that the only place Atlanta would trade Young or Murray is San Antonio? Last year the widespread talk was that Atanta wanted 2 FRPs for DJM, but couldn't get that. I'm pretty sure that they were talking to more than San Antonio. So if they will take non-Atlanta FRPs from another team I guarantee you that if SA has the best package even if doesn't include all or any of the Atlanta picks that will be the package they take or take none at all because no one reached their minimum threshhold. I can see SA including one or more of the Atlanta picks in a trade with the Hawks simply because they are more valuable to Atlanta than other FRPs and quite possibly be able to reduce other parts of the package. This narrative of Atlanta requiring all of their picks back to trade with San Antonio is the most baseless of many baseless assumptions on this board.
Im 100% fine with moving back as well
I'd actually prefer to trade out for proven players that fill a need. Draft picks tend to be overvalued as a general rule.
Agreed.
Draft whoever they think is the best choice with #4 and trade #8 in a package for an actual NBA player. If they don't like anyone available at #8, that is.
Why would anyone want to move down with Brian Wright's draft record? We don't need more Branhams and Wesleys.
How would we even develop those kids?
Developing players is way harder on awful teams. They just pick up bad habits and slowly fade away into mediocrity.
You think it's a coincidence Spurs draft picks developed into way better players when we were actually good?
I dont really agree with that tbh…I think draft picks are the most important thing. But I do also think theres a time and place to trade for guys who you know you like and are good and proven. If SA gets a chance at that, they should be open to it.
i mean they had gafford, and then dealt him away, but wizards taking clingan would be a welcome development.
As I wrote yesterday:
If we traded 4 FRPs for Markkanen, people would lose their .
Spurs 7 FRPs before Wemby were Sochan, Wesley, Branham, Primo, Vassell, Samanic, Johnson.
Ainge doesn't pick up the phone if we offer 5 that are still in the league for Markkanen.
Teams that find balance evaluating picks are the most successful.
Can't blow your load just for the sake of it, but hoarding picks and piling up losing season destroys franchises.
I can't understand a non shooting center in the first 5 picks much less 10. Edey seems like a way better value for dominant college centers who in the common parlance are known as "oafs".
So I'm sort of curious about Markkannen but doesn't seem to fit what we need most. And why isn't Utah better with him? Curious what I'm missing.
What do we need the most on PF position?
He's an elite shooter, can put the ball on the floor and score in mid range, good around the rim and a solid enough defender when he's got a rim protector next to him.
Which part of 23/8 seven footer who's shooting 40% from 3pt on 8 attempts isn't a good with Wemby?
Utah isn't better because they keep shutting down their best players in order to get a better pick.
Last season they were 37-45, but ended the season 2-10, blatantly tanking.
This season they were 31-51, but ended the season 3-17, blatantly tanking yet again.
Markkanen said that he won't put up with being shut down while healthy again.
He's willing to sign an extension there, but only if they actually try to win games and make the playoffs.
If they decide to tank, Spurs must be first in line to acquire his services.
For me, the target at the end of the first is Tyler Smith or Filipowski.
I think it's the other way around. The Spurs couldn't give Sochan away if they tried. He's a tweener forward who can't shoot, can't defend, and generally doesn't make any impact on the floor outside of scoring easy buckets off Wemby double and triple teams.
If going from 8 to 5 guarantees me I get the player I want in any draft I don't care how bad it is, and all I got to do is trade Sochan and 8 to do it, I did it 365 out of 365 times, 366 times in a leap year.
Clingan going in the top 3 would be so nice for us. Would pretty much guarantee us one of Risacher/Sheppard.
Sorry bro, you're just straight up wrong.
I would not be surprised if they take Carrington at 8 as the 'late riser no one expects so high because we're so so s-m-r-t!" surprise pick
He physically looks just like Dejounte did in college body wise plus a big hairstyle
On the other hand, if I remember right he has some good analytics to his resume unlike Primo, so the Spurs may not like that.
You have to admit, last season's experiment went so bad that it definitely hurt Sochan's stock. You could tell it really hurt his confidence a bit. Luckily he is still young and this year he needs to bounce back.
Clingan might be there best bet at improving the team the next 2-3 years when they don't have any draft picks. They are in win-now mode. They will definitely explore trading down a bit because of this.
It hurt his stock because he can't shoot.
A forward who can shoot, but his ballhandling and playmaking skills are limited to tertiary role is fine.
A forward who can't shoot or be a primary/secondary playmaker isn't fine.
My actual issue with him is that he has no semblance of a layup package whatsoever.
He just randomly throws up and hopes for the best.
He took 233 2PT shots outside the restricted area and made 77. Good for 33%.
That's just disgustingly bad.
Not counting dunks, his layups in the restricted area were 125/240. Good for 52%.
He's a 6'8 forward, ffs.
If not for his personality and poor Rodman imitation, people would already be over him.
He should get one more season in a role that suits him, but if he doesn't make some serious improvements in every aspect of the game, he'll never be anything more than a minimum contract player.
Fair point about tanking. If we only have one chance to go all in, I would think a perimeter player who can score and get others involved would be the priority, not risking what Wemby is doing well already.
I can't agree with the idea that recently picked players are equivalent to future firsts. The future picks are much more liquid, allow the receiving FO to pick the player they want, and are cost controlled for longer.
I disagree with the bolded part too. Wesley and Branham are whatever, but Vassell and Johnson are on good value contracts and Sochan is positive value, while Markkanen could very well walk after this season.
It's not an all in with all the picks we own.
We'd obviously also need a good point guard.
That was my idea in the ideal offseason topic, getting DJ and Lauri.
But regardless of who we get, I think a Lauri type forward would make Wemby unstoppable.
He's basically a 7 foot Klay.
New point guard, Devin and Wemby would be the initiators, with two elite 3pt shooters to punish any help.
I'm not a basketball mastermind, but building around Wemby looks fairly easy to me.
Obviously it was a whataboutism example to show how hard it is to draft all-star players, even with high picks.
Read the Sochan post and his atrocious FG. He could develop, but as of now he's maybe worth a late first rounder.
Keldon is also a low IQ, no defense, high energy guy off the bench. Good for 7th or 8th best player on a serious playoff roster.
Obviously I wouldn't make that trade without Markkanen agreeing to extend right away.
Doesn't this go in line with what Dusty Garza was reporting with them trading down to the Spurs?
I think it's obvious he will never be an excellent 3 point shooter, however, he showed glimpses of playmaking ability but because that fizzled out this past season, his stock is low. I think he can slowly improve in all areas and yes his finishing at the rim is the biggest concern because that HAS to be his greatest strength. He looked better in year 1 in this category which hopefully was because of the pg experiment messing with his whole game.
Sochan missed Wemby for wide open shots - usually dunks - literally dozens of times this season. He's anti-playmaking, at least for the only one on the team that actually matters in terms of how you gauge someone's playmaking skills.
The Spurs sucked, in large part, because Sochan is blind and makes terrible decisions, especially when driving or God forbid, initiating offense.
I really don’t see why Spurs would trade 4 + 8 for 1 tbh…I mean, whatever, if they love someone that much that’s fine, but seems silly on the surface. Just force ATL to take Clingan first or miss out on him. ATL taking Clingan first opens up the path for Risacher to make it to 4 so not sure why SA would trade up for him
If ATL would take Clingan 4, then who cares, just take him at one and be done with it.
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