Not here, it can't . . . it's only the most important skill in the game.
Team we're not going to skip steps is once again on the verge of doing it by trying to find someone who can theoretically play deep in the playoffs as opposed to not trying to force that and just finding someone who can help them climb the latter and maybe eventually become part of a package for the actualized version of the former.
I think one of the key differences with Trae Young and Dillingham that could explain what you're noticing is that, from a stat I heard on a podcast about Dillingham (I think it was the Locked On Fantasy NBA show) ... Dillingham was assisted on over 70+% of his 3s. Trae Young I'm guessing created much more of his own shot. Young was the man, Dillingham wasn't.
I've seen that, too. In fact, argued with some guy on reddit kind of pointlessly.
The reason why Trae doesn't get assisted on his shots is because he's ball-dominant and jacks up really, really bad shots that are completely against the flow of any intelligent offense whatsoever.
Frankly I don't see any reason why a player getting assisted on shots is a bad thing. What are Sheppard's numbers? I'll bet they're pretty high. Did you know Dillingham hit 52% on his spot-up threes?
Did anybody actually watch him? Kentucky moved the ball around very well around the perimeter. The point was getting assists on their three point shooting. It was one of the things that Calipari actually did well.
So... we're gonna just make up new rules about what we want as a draft industry?
At this point, again, I think people are just making up reasons to not like Dillingham when in every other category and every other time-span they've loved players like him. But for some reason they throw out any consistency whatsoever. No one knows what they're talking about and are just repeating what each other is saying.
What's kind of impressive to me - and adding to the sense that no one actually watches these players or even bothers listening to themselves -- is that Dillingham had the reputation of being a Trae Young, just jack em up, type player at OTE. Lots of questions whether he could fit into a college system. And then, when he did, he's getting dinged for not being a Trae Young, just jack em up, type player.
It's full on absurd.
I'd say that 90-95% of takes on college prospects are from people who haven't actually seen enough of those players.
Then they get biased off a few highlights videos and try to push for the player they like.
To me, Dillingham has two concerns.
Can his defense become passable?
Can he get into the paint, have solid FG% at the rim and draw fouls?
If answer to both those is yes, his floor is great 6th man, with star scorer ceiling.
I am all for shooting with Wemby. But these are prospects at the end of the day. Can he stay on the floor to provide that shooting is the question. If he did, would he have the trade value down the line. Is it more than 90 percentile offensive players rotting on rebuilding teams benches. Did you just develop an albatross contract.
Dillingham falling doesn't sound crazy to me, it's been proven time and again small guards scare teams and, no matter how talented they, are they always get passed on even when they shouldn't, which is why I always had him at 8 rather than 4. But if he gets pushed back ever further, this may be a good opportunity to trade back and pick him a few spots later. There's too much talent in this kid to ignore it.
I think with Dillingham the main problem is the D. He was bad and can he improves a lot ? Offensively he is good tough not on Trae Young at Oklahoma level. Young can create more imo.
He will always be bad at d just with his size alone.That fact that he doesnt care to try to plaY d will hurt him as well.Your taking a gamble that he will
be great with scoring and playmaking and help him elevate wemby.Taking him with castle would be smart imo as well.
I’m still really high on Dilly, kid came off the bench averaging like 23 mins a game and still put up 15ppg, 4ast, on 44% from 3 as a freshman.
Him or carter gotta be the pick at #8 Imo.
Would take Carter over Dillingham because of defensive issues. Same reason I would not want Trae Young on our team (especially for that kind of money).
It’s not that his injury/lack of workouts is hurting him, it’s that other PGs are coming in strong. Carter and Bub have been getting a lot of buzz, even as they are different players than Dillongham.
Wonder if there is something going on behind the scenes with Dillingham as well. The size issues are real, but it's not like they just snuck up on us... they've been known. I do think other PGs coming on late has an impact, as does his injury and inability to work out for teams, but I'm curious if maybe there is some other issue that isn't being reported.
This can definitely be the case.
As for others, definitely can see. McCain is the same height but bulkier. Still think he goes a bit later. Carrington has big advocates but I have trouble seeing what they're seeing, at least as a late lottery pick. Carter definitely seems like a junkyard dog type that Memphis would be into, among other teams.
I wasn't necessarily advocating for Dillingham, but again, why is team we're not going to skip steps worried about the finish line when they've yet to get out of the starting blocks?
Weird to say coming from a Dilly advocate. I have cooled down a bit on Dilly but I still like him and what I see in Bub is the same I see in Dilly (great self creation skills, granted on lesser efficiency) but on a 6'5" body.
I think the main concern was that he came in 7 lbs under his listed weight knowing everyone was going to be keyed on this number. Concern is that he will have trouble adding muscle and may not hold up in the pros.
The Spurs aren't drafting Dillingham, a small player with defensive shortcomings.
I totally agree with this. And it’s not like Bub played at Weber State or some other small school where there are questions about level of compe ion. He played in the ACC.
Dillingham could end up being the better player, but is he THAT much better where he should clearly be a top 8 pick and Bub (or McCain for that matter) clearly 10 pick worse?
I mean, I don't love Dillingham, but he's probably the best advantage creator in the draft, and that's an incredibly valuable skill to bet on.
I can get not going for a Sheppard / Dillingham combo, as you want some positional size as a backcourt combo and it could be hard to get development minutes for both of them, but I'd be fine with him at 8 with anyone else as a pairing.
Some harsh truths here about Rob's bad habits on both ends of the floor. I could see some of this driving Spurs fans (not to mention teammates and coaches) nuts at times unless he learns to play with more patience and his decision making improves a lot. No guarantee that he will ever fix these low IQ lapses, but they do seem of the fixable sort. He made strides last year, so it still feels like a worthwhile high upside bet to me. Some of the tape used in this review is from his OTE days and doesn't entirely reflect where he's at as a player right now, but there are still some worrying tendencies.
I can understand if the FO wants to go in a different direction, clearly all of this year's prospects have flaws so it's a matter of choosing the flaws you can live with and try to work on. Unfortunately you can never dream of teaching Dilly to be larger so other prospects might offer more reason for optimism.
One of my underlying things for Dillingham is his basketball history. He went to play for Kanye West's Donda Academy and then played for OverTime Elite (against the Thompson brothers, etc.). That's... not a great two environments for coaching. For OTE he essentially was a crowd-pleaser showing off his handles and jacking shots, like a circus performer.
What gives me optimism is that he came into Kentucky with that reputation and wound up fitting in very well into their offense. He was mostly perfect offensively, other than some freelancing and heat checks. Was practically their offensive engine to a good deal (+30% assist rate). He has a lot of seasoning to do, like knowing when to wait for screens and so on, but for his wild west background, he came a huge way.
On the other side, defense, he did things that I thought were amazing. I'd never seen such horrible judgment on rotations and positioning. Yet, he also did get better! Still awful, but he wasn't making the humongous, skin-crawling mistakes (like leaving a guy in the dunker spot to go back to his man). He seems mostly engaged on defense and seems to try.
Now, I do question the wisdom of going to Kanye West academy and OTE. The fact that he's a Klutch guy puts questions in my head. The fact that he's a bit of an influencer type. (He seems to like fashion.)
But I have reasons to think he can improve on defense. In large part, because his coaching seems to have been completely absent. Another part is that he seems to buy-in instead of just having no interest, like an Isaiah Collier type. The last part, he's very quick, can stay with guys, and doesn't get screened easily.
So... I shrug off a good bit of whether he can get better with seasoning and coaching. I've already seen it. Whether he's going to do it, that's another matter that interviews and background can tell a team.
I agree, he has shown strong signs that he can develop within a team setting and his off-ball play is one of the more intriguing aspects of his game right now. And there is evidence that he could develop into a pesky defender if he dedicates himself. Honestly he remains my favourite swing and in my mind the best potential fit offensively that this draft has to offer. That said, as much as than anything, I'm wary of adding another knucklehead with tunnel vision to this roster, so you have to be sold on the developmental curve and overall BB IQ.
what is actually wrong with Klutch?
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