He's much better at passing when he is a PF than a PG though. It really messed with his head.
I see your point but he isn't a playmaker, at least, not yet and with no clear signs he ever will be one. He's best utilized finishing off someone else's penetration/gravity, IE Wemby just being alive on the same side of the court. If he had a 3 point shot that was at all reliable, I'd say he's definitely underrated. Without it, he's a net neutral role player who primarily earns his cash dunking or defending.
We’re not picking at these positions (9,26,20,11,10,19,29) though, we’re picking at 4 and 8. Not all first rounders are equal. Not all top 10 picks are equal.
Sochan in 33 games at PG: 4 assists and 2.1 turnovers.
Sochan in 40 games at PF: 2.9 assists, 1.7 turnovers.
I don't think his passing was much better, it's just that he wasn't pressured to make more advanced passes.
His ast/TO ratio is actually good on paper, but we all know how it actually looked.
Idk, I really want him to succeed, but right now he doesn't have a lot going for him.
If Keldon is traded, I think he should be the 6th man next season.
As I said, it was a whataboutism to paint a picture.
Also in response to some comments we could trade down.
9+10+11 is as valuable as 4+8.
Pretty much my thoughts exactly. Just hard to imagine the Spurs are that in love with Risacher.
I don’t doubt that Atlanta is interested in Clingan. I very much doubt that the Spurs would trade 4 and 8 to guarantee they can get Risacher. Spurs would love for ATL or one of these other top 3 teams to use a pick on Clingan.
If you’ve ever seen the normal value curve of the NBA draft, you would understand that 4 itself is more valuable than those 3 picks. The odds of pulling a player who will ever make an ASG fall off a cliff after #5.
It's fine to not want to give up on Sochan and believe he can still be a good player, but it's completely out of touch to think he has much value right now. At the very best case scenario he'd be worth a late first, more likely if a couple of seconds if we were trying to move him.
But we aren't in a position where we have to move him, so it's best to not take a bargain price and keep developing him. There is still plenty of opportunity for him to improve.
Gaddamn can we get the draft already. It's ing unbearable to adjudicate Sochan for the thousandth time. On one side we have a cadre of morons who hate him for playing out of position even if that wasn't his fault. Then we have another cadre of morons who think at twenty years old he's fully developed and think like we'd have to pay people to take him. Shut the up. Just shut the up. Go gossip about Taylor Swift or some other goaddamn nonsense. Can we keep this to the draft for gods sake.
Data easily backs it up.
Like...other than right under the basket, show me 2 other places on the court that Sochan shoots at least league average from?
I know you've read this here before... but here we go again:
No one is forcing you to visit or participate in this website.
Did anyone insult you? No.
Did anyone force you to read any of those posts? No.
Sochan is a 6'8 forward who can't shoot from deep, shoots 33% between the restricted area and 3pt line, barely makes 50% of his layups.
Wee can debate his passing, but if you think those aren't a reason for concern, you can shut the up and off.
Deranged individual telling people what to write about on an irrelevant, anonymous forum.
i mean, i'm not taking any sides here but commenting on someone's post that no one is forcing them to read anyone's post hints of a little irony.
I should just put him on ignore list.
We were talking about Sochan and his future fit, I just post the very concerning numbers in every aspect of his game and then he's like "shut the up".
I never had issues with him so far, but I often notice posts where he berates other users for no reason whatsoever and how a lot of posters think he's a joke.
so you agree, that this trade could work, because the Pistons would take him. Great. Technically we have a basic understanding.
Feels like a draft where an exorbitant amount of players will be wearing the wrong hats at the podium. #hatgate
To get a player a malleable, high floor player, who can potentially play significant minutes deep in the playoffs, as opposed to two high bust archetype projects.
My guess is the Hawks aren't necessarily committed to any one player, but the highest value, which means they'd seemingly be fine with Clingan and Williams at 4 and 8, but not the former at 1.
The irony is not lost on me
Normally I just ignore folks, but I actually really value a lot of Mr. Body's thoughts and posts. But the "go kill yourself/everyone who disagrees with me is a moron" sometimes passive-aggressive, sometimes just aggressive-aggressive bipolar episodes that are grating.
I really feel the Hawks are just floating these rumors to drive up the asking price.
For the sake of argument, let’s say the Hawks really want Clingan and the Spurs want Risacher.
The Hawks recognize that picking Clingan at #1 is a reach, so they try to trade down with the Spurs to extract more value from their pick. The Spurs recognize this and reason that if the Hawks are truly in love with Clingan, they will pick him at #1 regardless, potentially allowing Risacher to fall to their laps at #4. So they don’t agree to the deal.
If that’s the case, two scenarios are possible: either the Spurs are right and the Hawks do pick Clingan at #1, or the Hawks make a selection in accordance with the value of their pick, which is Risacher at #1.
I dont think the gap between 1 and 4 matters all that much here so I dont see why ATL wouldn’t take who they want regardless. Makes no sense for ATL to like Clingan at 4 but not 1. I dont think ATL wants Risacher personally. Of course they could but I dont get the sense they really do.
He plays his head down 90% of the time and can't read the court. He has his plan A and then it's just rebounding and calling his number
It's a lot more than just his 3pts shooting that needs to improve
You a funny dude……at least I hope you are a dude! Your opinion pieces are the best bud.The irony is not lost on me
Normally I just ignore folks, but I actually really value a lot of Mr. Body's thoughts and posts. But the "go kill yourself/everyone who disagrees with me is a moron" sometimes passive-aggressive, sometimes just aggressive-aggressive bipolar episodes that are grating.
You’ll be showing him! I say do it!! How about you might be the joke…a novel concept to you I’m sure. Quit trying so hard…
You want him to be a dude so you could show him your primo, right?
Tradng Wemby for a second rounder also works.
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