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Oh, your trade involves #8 going out. DPG's version had the Spurs keeping #8.
I'd have no issue waiting for the trade deadline, but that would eliminate getting the #1 pick. Unless they draft him.
Oh, your trade involves #8 going out. DPG's version had the Spurs keeping #8.
On paper it makes sense, Atlanta's picks are more valuable in their hands than they are in the Spurs' because they'd have incentive to maximize their value (i.e., tank), and we could trade them back and split the difference. However, I don't love their assets, and they're incompetent enough that they may still give up high picks even if they don't intend to do so, kind of like Brooklyn's picks. I guess it depends on how desperate they are, if they don't want to recongnize that fact and pay the price, then I'd take my chances with the picks, but if they REALLY want those picks back then I'm sure you can find a way, maybe even re routing their assets (players) to a third team for value.
If ATL is desperate, why are you being so generous?
The whole "he is working out with Spurs because there are talks about Spurs trading up" thing is incredibility stupid. Risacher isn't at all a lock to be drafted top2 and Spurs at #4 would be a great draft outcome for him. I'm quite sure that he would rather be drafted at #4 by Spurs than at #2 by Wizards.
What lies behind all theses rumors is that Hawks don't have an obvious choice with their first pick. Sarr might be too much a project for a team that is trying to win now. Risacher won't really improve their roster given that they already have De'Andre Hunter, Jalen Johnson and Bogdan Bogdanovic. Clingan is the player who will help them the most in the next couple of years but they might think he will be there at #3 or #4 with the lower salary associated...
In that case, we should offer to swap the #4 pick and a second round pick or a heavily protected future first round pick in exchange for the #1 pick. And if they say no, then just wager that they pick Clingan anyway and hope Zaccharie falls into our laps.
I just laugh at how so many think mock draft rankings are exactly what teams go off of and that nothing else matters. Value is relative especially in a draft like this. And it’s doubly funny to think ATL would “love” Clingan at 4 but cant stomach taking him at 1?
No, if Clingan in their guy, while they may like to extract extra value, they are going to draft him without hesitation at 1. Theres zero scenario where they say “well we love Clingan the most but you know its just not worth it at one like it is at 4”
I can't wait for draft day to get here already since we've been doing this exercise since November
Hope draft day is complete chaos with a zillion unexpected trades tbh
It also depends on how Spurs like Risacher compared to other prospect. If they like Castle nearly as much, there is a good chance that at least one of them will be available at #4. Spurs can also trade up with Wizards or Rockets which should be less expensive than trading up with Hawks...
To be honest, I have quite no clue what Spurs will do because I don't know how they have evaluated various prospect and what is their whole rebuilding plan. Aside of listing some various scenarios that are sensible, there isn't a lot more to say. Wait and see...
I think it's more complicate than that.
Sarr and Risacher are viewed as the only legit option at #1. If Landry Fields (Hawks GM) goes with Clingan an it doesn't work, he is basically done as a GM. Chris Grant, who made the bold move of going with Anthony Bennett at #1 in 2013, still hasn't recovered from it. If Fields go with Sarr/Risacher and it doesn't work, the backlash will be way smaller because it would be a case of "we were all wrong about him".
Fields also isn't working in a quiet environment with Hawks. Trae Young has publicly put pressure on Hawks FO and there is Hawks owner's son breathing down his neck.
The key factor for Hawks is how they view their future with Young. If they think he will stick with them, Clingan might be the right pick. If they think he will soon ask to be traded, the high upside Sarr should go #1. Risacher is the in-between choice who is a weird fit with their roster.
next couple of weeks cant come soon enough.
imo this is the important part. While many of the deals we discuss here might be good or bad in a vacuum, teams have idiosyncrasies like the Hawks do in your list. That makes teams do strange, even stupid, things sometimes.
The Hawks should be the team that the Spurs are having the most discussions with up to and including draft days (man it's weird to have that be a plural).
Random question: can players picked during round 1 be traded the next day during round 2? I would hope so.
Bingo. The Trade up narrative is totally of ATL's (and WAS) doing. Spurs are truly in a great position in this specific draft.
Totally agree about the tight spot he's in. The fanbase won't be happy with a Clingan pick. Even if none of them know much about Sarr, the narrative has already been set (by mock drafters and ESPN types). "Oh no, we drafted a big white stiff!"
Of course they'd like to squeeze some value out of the pick. I'm not sure trading down with Clingan still in mind is the right way to go, in any case. Supposing the Spurs jump up to get Risacher, then I guess Sarr immediately goes to Washington. The risk is still that Houston trades down with a team that wants to steal the UConn big man. And then (in this scene) Atlanta has the 4 and 8 without the defensive anchor they wanted.
is it just me and I just got a wrong impression about it, or did someone else also notice that there isn't that much interest in Sarr in the last weeks?
so maybe he is no longer viewed as a legit top 2 pick? that would leave Risacher as the only option for Fields regarding not risking his GM job.
I really hope we don't do that. I don't see a scenario where if include 25 atl pick. Maybe the lesser of ours and their's, but that'd be it.
That’s true - but in this draft it’s way less consensus IMO on who is the “top” pick. While Sarr/Risacher may be kind of in the lead, it’s not the no brainer conversation that usually accompanies a legit franchise prospect.
Taking Bennett is a big risk when theres other really higher rated players but in a draft like this, from what I see most fans and pundits all have similar messaging: theres no for sure star so pressure in that regard feels less.
But absolutely Trae is dictating things so there is that but Im factoring all that in as assumed. Clingan wont be their main target if Trae is likely to leave. So Im just saying that if Clingan in their guy its not going to matter getting him at 1 v 4 because they have already done that Trae calculus and arrived at their conclusion.
Yeah I don't actually want this to happen, I just think it's a deal that ATL would agree to. I'm out on the Trae wagon (and I like him more than a lot of folks here)
Sarr being the first choice for Wizards is something a lot of people agree on. He is the kind of long term and high upside prospect that is perfect for a team that is starting a full rebuild like Washington is. He is also playing a position where they don't have a good player or prospect since the Gafford trade.
The only uncertainty about Sarr is whether he will be picked #1 or #2. I'm guessing that's why there isn't a lot of talk about him.
I pray to god the Spurs don’t acquire Young even for a second round pick in 2050.
I wonder if the real play here is Washington swapping with Atlanta.
That way Atlanta gets to be safe taking Clingan. Washington probably prefers Sarr.
Not sure what it would take but Atlanta could squeeze and asset while still getting their man. Maybe like Kispert, although that feels a little rich.
Man, never thought I’d feel bad for a team that got the #1 pick but this is close. Probably CLE in 2013, but those guys got so many 1st in a short span that it’s hard to.
I just dont see how this makes sense at all. 4+8 to move up doesnt make sense. Certainly 4 or 8 + an ATL pick back doesnt make sense either IMO.
So what does SA having ATL picks have to do with it?
The only thing I could see and I highly doubt SA does it (Im not talking about a bigger trade involving Trae or Murray, in that case SA having ATL picks makes them linking up reasonable) is pick 1 for ATL 25’ pick back to ATL.
Spurs keep picks 4 & 8 and get pick 1 as well. ATL gets their own pick back in 25’ and then could in theory reset if they wanted to and have some control over their fate. But again, I dont think ATL would do that.
Spurs would be crazy to deal those ATL picks back to them.
They have them where they want them.
Barely making the playoffs.
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