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    I agree with this approach to the #4 pick.
    Agreed, seems to be the most reasonable.

    My ideal combinations would be:
    Risacher+Dillingham/Carter
    Castle+Dillingham
    Sheppard+Carter or maybe a project forward like Williams.

    I wouldn't want both Sheppard and Dillingham or Castle and Carter.

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    They already have all the wings they need and they're trying to develop Amen into a point guard.
    Him and Castle are way too similar in terms of best case scenario. Unless they trade Amen, I don't think they're even considering Castle.

    On the other hand, Sheppard would be a great fit to replace FVV.
    They have a better one in Amen; Castle would be a weird fit there and if they took him I would expect it would be for a trade.
    I see what you’re saying, but I disagree some. Not every team is going to view Castle as a point guard. If you view him as a wing that can also play some PG in a pinc, like I think many do, then I think it makes perfect sense.

    You move on from Dillon Brooks and get Castle and I think it makes a ton of sense.

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    Dillon Brooks is a stopgap... no reasonable team is changing their draft philosophy because he's on the roster. He wore out his welcome in Memphis, and there's a 99% chance he does the same in Houston.

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    I see what you’re saying, but I disagree some. Not every team is going to view Castle as a point guard. If you view him as a wing that can also play some PG in a pinc, like I think many do, then I think it makes perfect sense.

    You move on from Dillon Brooks and get Castle and I think it makes a ton of sense.
    OK but then they're drafting a wing when they already have Jalen Green, Jabari Smith, and Cam Whitmore even if they move Brooks? While Sheppard gives them exactly what they're missing with his shooting?

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    OK but then they're drafting a wing when they already have Jalen Green, Jabari Smith, and Cam Whitmore even if they move Brooks? While Sheppard gives them exactly what they're missing with his shooting?
    Yup. I think they may feel like they have enough scoring with Jalen, Jabari, Whitmore and want someone with defense and more well rounded. I think it makes complete sense, especially if you buy Castle shot coming around.

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    Dillon Brooks is a stopgap... no reasonable team is changing their draft philosophy because he's on the roster. He wore out his welcome in Memphis, and there's a 99% chance he does the same in Houston.
    Exactly - which is why getting a younger more upside version in Castle makes sense to me.

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    Exactly - which is why getting a younger more upside version in Castle makes sense to me.
    Brooks and Castle are completely different players on offense.
    Half of Brooks' shots this season were 3pt attempts. He's a high volume, subpar 3pt shooter.
    He's an average rebounder for his size and has no ballhandling skills whatsoever.
    Stopgap 3-D player.

    If they're to replace Brooks, it would be with Risacher.

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    Yup. I think they may feel like they have enough scoring with Jalen, Jabari, Whitmore and want someone with defense and more well rounded. I think it makes complete sense, especially if you buy Castle shot coming around.
    They don't have enough minutes going around unless they dump one of those three.

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    Brooks and Castle are completely different players on offense.
    Half of Brooks' shots this season were 3pt attempts. He's a high volume, subpar 3pt shooter.
    He's an average rebounder for his size and has no ballhandling skills whatsoever.
    Stopgap 3-D player.

    If they're to replace Brooks, it would be with Risacher.
    The point of Brooks is to be a well rounded hard nose defensive type…they aren’t counting on his offense. Im saying, that Castle is an overall better prospect (although different on offense at the moment) with similar hard nosed defensive qualities with more upside overall on offense IF he develops.

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    They don't have enough minutes going around unless they dump one of those three.
    I dont think they are worried about that with Castle or any draft pick. If they are, they would likely be trading up for Clingan. They are just trading the pick or taking BPA which for them may be Castle

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    The point of Brooks is to be a well rounded hard nose defensive type…they aren’t counting on his offense.
    They most definitely are counting on his spacing.
    Sengun has no range whatsoever. Can't have another non-shoter in the starting lineup.
    Amen comes off the bench and doesn't play that many minutes with Sengun.
    Amen and Castle just can't share the floor.

    Much like Castle and Sochan. That would be my biggest question mark with Castle.
    But we're still far away and in BPA phase, even if it's not a good fit. But no way two of them would start together.

    Im saying, that Castle is an overall better prospect (although different on offense at the moment) with similar hard nosed defensive qualities with more upside overall on offense IF he develops.
    Obviously, Brooks is just a solid role player. But shooting is the most important skill on offense for perimeter players and you can't just replace a high volume shooter with a player who doesn't shoot.

    Imo, Rockets either trade the pick or get Risacher/Sheppard. I can't see them taking Castle.

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    They most definitely are counting on his spacing.
    Sengun has no range whatsoever. Can't have another non-shoter in the starting lineup.
    Amen comes off the bench and doesn't play that many minutes with Sengun.
    Amen and Castle just can't share the floor.

    Much like Castle and Sochan. That would be my biggest question mark with Castle.
    But we're still far away and in BPA phase, even if it's not a good fit. But no way two of them would start together.



    Obviously, Brooks is just a solid role player. But shooting is the most important skill on offense for perimeter players and you can't just replace a high volume shooter with a player who doesn't shoot.

    Imo, Rockets either trade the pick or get Risacher/Sheppard. I can't see them taking Castle.
    Sorry, when I mean “replace” I dont mean literally in this season. They will still have Brooks starting, but Castle would be drafted as a lower minutes bench guy based on future where. Brooks is traded or just let go after contract expires and Castle steps in.

    Im not saying Castle is some lock, but I think ruling Castle out in HOU is just wrong personally. But ya, theres problems with him there to a degree, but Im saying he seems to fit a lot of what Ime likes in players and alongside the younger core of Green/Jabari/Sengun/Amen I think he makes some sense still especially if you are buying his 3ball coming around to Dillon Brooks level

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    I don't think Jalen Green has much of a future in Houston. Never really believe in players suddenly turning out late in a season. It's fool's gold. He's always a low efficiency chucker who can't play in a team environment.

    The rest is a mess of parts. At this point I think they still ac ulate a good prospect without regard to fit. I don't think Amen Thompson is any real guarantee. Just take him and figure it out later.

    That is, if they take him. I agree that Sheppard makes more sense.

    Even more sense is trying to move with the Nets. Mikal Bridges for the #3 and Jalen Green as a basis. Can't think Brooklyn tries to stay pat with Bridges. They can't stay compe ive even with him.

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    There's no reason to trade up, one of Castle, Risacher, Sheppard will be there at 4. I'm fine with either one. Dilly at 8, and we're set.
    This is where I am at. There are some prospects I like more than others in this draft, but none I like enough more than others to expend any assets to get. Perfectly content to see what falls to us at 4 and 8, or even look to move down a little. Anti-Trade Up Gang unite.

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    I’m fine trading up using cha pick or 2nds

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    The draft is a crapshoot so trading down makes more sense than trading up.

    It’s funny, though how somebody reaching for say castle at the number two makes you tend to want the player a little more.

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    The draft is a crapshoot so trading down makes more sense than trading up.

    It’s funny, though how somebody reaching for say castle at the number two makes you tend to want the player a little more.
    Landing Wemby made this board a little too united for my tastes.. I want the Spurs to draft Topic and Salaun just to see the world burn..

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    Landing Wemby made this board a little too united for my tastes.. I want the Spurs to draft Topic and Salaun just to see the world burn..
    I'm growing on Salaun. Despite other opinions. I think his Floor is pretty high. Easily will be a menace on the defense and the fast break right away.

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    Landing Wemby made this board a little too united for my tastes.. I want the Spurs to draft Topic and Salaun just to see the world burn..
    I “really” want Reed/Holland/Cody but honestly this is the first draft in a long while where I dont have that strong of opinions on the draft and who we get. I just dont want a center at 4 unless it’s Sarr. But other than that Im pretty much good on what Spurs do.

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    I don't know why people are lumping players together who don't have anything to do with each other.

    The only Rocket who is comparable to Castle is Thompson.

    In the end, unless their pick is traded (which seems unlikely), expect this to be Risacher's floor, with Sheppard the most likely and Clingan the dark horse.

    I can't imagine Castle goes before 4, but if by some chance he does, good. It'll save these idiots (who'll be too scared to trade up) from themselves.

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    I can absolutely see HOU taking him. He fits IME type big time and they have plenty of fire power on offense. They could absolutely use a “jrue” type on their team .
    It all depends on how much of a voice he has in the draft room, because he kind of seems like the opposite of their type, smart and not overly athletic.

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    It all depends on how much of a voice he has in the draft room, because he kind of seems like the opposite of their type, smart and not overly athletic.
    Ime is the new coach and tone setter though. Most of the guys there were pre-Ime and he brought in Brooks, FVV etc…

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    Ya, I don’t personally care if Castle ends up in SA or not. I see the pros, but I also am a bit more worried about him than most. If Spurs think hes the guy Im 100% cool with that and get it. But I nervous about him to a degree.

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    Ime is the new coach and tone setter though. Most of the guys there were pre-Ime and he brought in Brooks, FVV etc…
    Coaches frequently are just one voice in the draft room. Example: Doug McDermott was drafted by Chicago over the very strenuous objections of Tom Thibodeau.

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    Coaches frequently are just one voice in the draft room. Example: Doug McDermott was drafted by Chicago over the very strenuous objections of Tom Thibodeau.
    Sure - but with the success they had and what they paid for FVV + Brooks Im assuming Ime has a reasonably sized voice…

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