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    sarr is a higher ceiling/lower floor prospect than duren was. think he's more athletic and shows some perimeter-ish skills that duren doesnt really have, but not remotely developed enough to be reliable right now. duren's scoring is largely limited to the restricted area, whereas sarr has some face up game, short turnaround shot like sochan has flashed, etc. sarr's ball-handling right now only really shows itself in transition though.

    id also say he's lower floor because he's not as strong, doesnt really have great hands despite having the rim-running physical profile
    I'll just agree to disagree. I don't see any of those things in Sarr's game, other than the short turnaround shot (which isn't really enough of a differentiator on its own). My own opinion is that folks see in Sarr what they want, but it's all just hope at this point. We'll see - but I don't think Sarr will even match Duren's 9/9 rookie year 14/12 sop re season statlines. Duren has been pretty disappointing with rim protection though, that's an area where Sarr could easily outperform.

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    lol if youre going to make 30+ minute draft profile vids you definitely need some freaking game footage to make your point

    otherwise why bother with the youtube component? just release it on spotify or whatevs
    This Podcast sucks ass when it's audio only, I couldn't imagine it could be worse... but then I saw the YT version

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    Man Timvp must really hate Matas, who is more likely to be a realistic choice.

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    No.. He has more value in a trade at draft night than any other point in his career in SA.

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    Clingan at 8 would be ok for a couple of reasons…

    a BIG reason- if he pushes Zollins further out of rotation- that alone makes him worth it…

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    7-3 players with a MOTOR do not grow on trees…

    combine wembys length and clingans length…and pop might even remember what to do with a twin towers lineup…
    but even if they dont pair well - just taking zollins minutes is a yuge win

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    lol if youre going to make 30+ minute draft profile vids you definitely need some freaking game footage to make your point

    otherwise why bother with the youtube component? just release it on spotify or whatevs
    Needless to say there was none, just those two assclowns repeating what they heard and framing as their own take.

    Clingan's tankathon sheet looks about as clean as any I seen:


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    It's just weird to me that the two top centers in this draft, who are even talked about going #1 and #2, have pretty reasonable direct comps in the league (Duren and Kessler), both of which are pretty mid, tbh.
    I agree with Clingan, but I don't see Sarr in the same mold as Duren. Duren is smaller (probably 6'9" without shoes) and a vertical athlete which is useful mostly for lobs and rebounds, but not a good defender anywhere (inside, on the perimeter), kind of like a lighter Drummond or a homeless man's Dwight. Sarr is taller (7' barefoot) and moves better laterally, being able to keep up with players on the perimeter, and even when he's beat his length allows him to recover and get a lot of blocks. On the negative side, he's much weaker and less aggresive on the boards. His ceiling is maybe JJJ if he learns to shoot, but realistically I don't expect him to get to that level. Still, I'd rather have Sarr than Duren.

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    Needless to say there was none, just those two assclowns repeating what they heard and framing as their own take.

    Clingan's tankathon sheet looks about as clean as any I seen:
    i despise those tankathon sheets. i dont think they're based on any actual scouting/analysis but rather a function of their raw stats being inputted and then the plusses and minuses get spit out based on positional averages or whatever.

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    I agree with Clingan, but I don't see Sarr in the same mold as Duren. Duren is smaller (probably 6'9" without shoes) and a vertical athlete which is useful mostly for lobs and rebounds, but not a good defender anywhere (inside, on the perimeter), kind of like a lighter Drummond or a homeless man's Dwight. Sarr is taller (7' barefoot) and moves better laterally, being able to keep up with players on the perimeter, and even when he's beat his length allows him to recover and get a lot of blocks. On the negative side, he's much weaker and less aggresive on the boards. His ceiling is maybe JJJ if he learns to shoot, but realistically I don't expect him to get to that level. Still, I'd rather have Sarr than Duren.
    I don't want Sarr or Duren... but despite what you say above, those traits haven't shown up on the court thus far for Sarr. He's about a wash with Duren on blocks (looking at Duren's college stats). Sarr is taller but Duren has a larger wingspan. I won't put very much into the respective D ratings for Duren in college or Sarr in the NBL and take your word for it that Sarr most better and has more defensive versatility. https://tankathon.com/players/compar...r--jalen-duren

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    i despise those tankathon sheets. i dont think they're based on any actual scouting/analysis but rather a function of their raw stats being inputted and then the plusses and minuses get spit out based on positional averages or whatever.
    Tankathon probably ranks based on what percentile that player rates (per minute?) on a given stat. Certainly nothing that should be used as gospel, especially the projected 3P% ()

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    sochan was ok as a rookie, to the point where his sop re season felt disappointing, and he spent much of that season starting and playing alongside poeltl. obviously sochan needs to continue to work on his shooting, but tbh im not drafting around Sochan until he proves he's a good starter and a core piece we can comfortably project will still be on the team 3 years out
    Sochan's rookie season was on a team with bare-bottom expectations. Jeremy had mostly negative pairings, but Jakob was one of his worst. The reason why there was (is) hope for Sochan is because of the dramatic improvement he showed post ASB when Jakob was gone.

    No, I don't think the Spurs should choose to not draft Clingan because of Sochan. However, if Jeremy is still the best choice at PF on the roster, then him and Clingan being unable to play legit minutes together would complicate a rotation that should want to get all three guys significant minutes. Taking Victor out of the conversation, if Sochan and Clingan have to avoid playing together, that limits one or both to playing less than half the game. Clingan almost certainly would play fewer than 24 minutes if he were on the Spurs, but Sochan would ideally play around 30 next year. I would hope the roughly six minutes they'd share with each other each game wouldn't be a down time for the team.

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    i despise those tankathon sheets. i dont think they're based on any actual scouting/analysis but rather a function of their raw stats being inputted and then the plusses and minuses get spit out based on positional averages or whatever.
    that's precisely what they do, they don't take in other factors like strengh of compe ion, etc.

    I did see a vid of Clingan and sure seems like the majority of his blocks ended up the 3rd row, an hesis of VW blocks

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    At what point is taking BPA not a wise move?

    I would say it's this situation right here.

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    Everything the opposing teams do to counter Wemby they won't have to do anymore because we are doing it for them. Picking Clingan would be dumber than the reaching for Primo.

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    I'd want Wright fired on the spot if he drafted Clingan at either #4 or #8 tbh.

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    I like him, but eh, we already have Wemby, who's already way, way better than Clingan will ever be. Pass.

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    I wonder how many games we could win if our defense didn’t go historically bad every time Wemby sits. It’s like the problem the Warriors have offensively when Steph sits. Just having rim protection 48/4 would be amazing. Idgaf how Sochan fits in on this team when it comes to drafting someone. Either he does or he doesn’t but Jeremy Sochan should have zero input on who we draft going forward

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    I'd want Wright fired on the spot if he drafted Clingan at either #4 or #8 tbh.
    Tbh if we get dillingham, clingan, and also fire Wright that’s a pretty great scenario in my book

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    Why are yall hating on Wright? He’s done a solid job last few years IMO

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    Why are yall hating on Wright? He’s done a solid job last few years IMO

    You can argue that Wright deserved to get fired over what happened with Primo. I know you've already said you don't think it was that bad, but there was definitely a time where it looked like he was going to be let go. We'll likely never know exactly what role he played in the whole ordeal, but if he did what he was accused of, the sheer lack of foresight would be worth a suspension if not a dismissal.

    But all things consider, Wright's not been too bad in terms of GMing. We don't know fully what his job entails. For example, we have heard he works on trade packages, but we have no idea how much freedom he has in trading folks away. Like did he make the decision to trade away DJM, or was he just the one who called ATL and got them to give up the picks? I haven't loved the team's picks under him, but I don't think he's been below-average there. Collins and McDermott were decent acquisitions, but I'm hoping for something less conservative this time around. I think this off-season is really important to take Wright's measure. The team has so many paths it can take and assets to facilitate those paths. How they're able to start actually building around Wemby rather than just getting more assets is going to determine if he's a good GM or a meh one.

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    Why are yall hating on Wright? He’s done a solid job last few years IMO
    Wright has shown he can blow it up and get assets out of players. But so far he’s done a poor job actually building a team out of it. If we didn’t luck into wemby we’d be the worst situation in the league this side of Washington

    he had a stretch of 4 first rounders that were primo, Sochan, branham, Wesley.

    character meltdown aside primo was a questionable pick and it’s a huge red flag to me not only that they liked him but supposedly thought he was legitimately a face of the franchise type talent per reports from timvp

    sochan has promise still but both branham and Wesley have been flops

    his big FA acquisitions have been McNuggets and Zollins. The latter turned out fine.

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    Can someone explain to me why Clingan is rated higher than Edey?

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    Tankathon probably ranks based on what percentile that player rates (per minute?) on a given stat. Certainly nothing that should be used as gospel, especially the projected 3P% ()
    Sarr shoots 0.5/1.9 for threes per game, for .276 3pt%. His free throw percentage is .707. Somehow they project his NBA 3pt% to be .355. How does that make sense?

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    You can argue that Wright deserved to get fired over what happened with Primo.
    How could anyone possibly argue this?

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    Sarr shoots 0.5/1.9 for threes per game, for .276 3pt%. His free throw percentage is .707. Somehow they project his NBA 3pt% to be .355. How does that make sense?
    It doesn't, which is why I said the projected 3P% especially shouldn't be used as gospel since it's probably some random combination they pulled out of their asses.

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