Donovan Clingan - 2024 NBA Draft Prospect

[Chinook]

How could anyone possibly argue this?

How can any one possibly argue a guy being accused of covering up repeated instances of sexual harassment and exposing his company to potentially millions of dollars of legal damages, could lose their job? Pretty easily. Did Spurs fans block out the incident or something?

What happened with Primo wasn't a minor thing. He's never had his day in court, and while there have been a couple of judgments against him corroborating the allegations, we don't know the full extent of them. But if they are true, Primo was and maybe still is a sexual predator who cornered multiple women and exposed himself to them. Wright and certain other Spurs executives knew he was doing it and suppressed allegations against Primo to the point of not renewing the contract of the victim who pushed the hardest to bring the allegations to light. Because of their inaction, Primo potentially exposed himself to more women while working for and representing the organization. That could have been prevented had the allegations been taken seriously and intervention happened.

Now the above as I said isn't fully substantiated. We don't know what happened, and I certainly have some issues with the case that POS Buzbee laid out. But IF that is what happened, Wright 100-percent should have been fired. It's far worse than Buford's DWI. I'm hoping there was a lot more nuance in the events, but the story itself has played out too many times to excuse (again, if it happened as they alleged it did), and for all we know, it could have been even worse than we heard.

No, the Spurs can never bring Primo back, even if he turned out to be good. No, the Spurs can't bring in another player accused of sex crimes without taking a massive PR hit. And no, Wright and the rest of the front office didn't get out of the situation unscathed. This is 2024. It's a testament to the organization's effort toward cultivating their image that they weathered the controversy as well as they did. But the foundation is still very cracked from it, and pretending like what happened wasn't the huge deal it was won't discourage it from happening again.

[jesterbobman]

I get why he could go top 3, and I think there is a need for a decent backup big behind Wemby as a rim protector, to the point where I wouldn't hate him at 8 (for instance, I'd rather have him than Knecht), but it's not at the top of my list as an ideal. As Chinook pointed out, the Clingan/ Sochan fit is bad, and if you're not absolutely confident that Sochan is a long term starter (I don't think anyone is there) then it's setting up a second unit with a poor fit from two lottery picks.

I'd rather go guard / wing at the top (Some combo of Castle, Sheppard, Risacher, Dillingham) and potentially try and trade into the late first for a swing on a different big who isn't an A+ rim protector but could have a role as part of two big units / as a spacing big next to a unit with Castle / Sochan... (Ideal for me is Ware at about 21 /22, though Tyler Smith and DaRon Holmes would be good too in the space big category.)

[Mr. Body]

How can any one possibly argue a guy being accused of covering up repeated instances of sexual harassment and exposing his company to potentially millions of dollars of legal damages, could lose their job? Pretty easily. Did Spurs fans block out the incident or something?

You think this was maniacal genius Wright cackling and wringing his hands while the rest of the organization sat there helpless? Lol, seriously?

[GAustex]

How can any one possibly argue a guy being accused of covering up repeated instances of sexual harassment and exposing his company to potentially millions of dollars of legal damages, could lose their job? Pretty easily. Did Spurs fans block out the incident or something?

Good grief the pervert sucked along with being a pervert

[GAustex]

Wright has shown he can blow it up and get assets out of players. But so far he’s done a poor job actually building a team out of it. If we didn’t luck into wemby we’d be the worst situation in the league this side of Washington

he had a stretch of 4 first rounders that were primo, Sochan, branham, Wesley.

character meltdown aside primo was a questionable pick and it’s a huge red flag to me not only that they liked him but supposedly thought he was legitimately a face of the franchise type talent per reports from timvp

sochan has promise still but both branham and Wesley have been flops

his big FA acquisitions have been McNuggets and Zollins. The latter turned out fine.

Dougie McNoD and Zollins both suck

[Blizzardwizard]

Drafting a backup with a top-eight pick? Bad.

Drafting him to start at C and doing the other team a favor by clogging the paint and giving Wemby an extra body to navigate inside meaning he gets stuck on the perimeter more often? Also bad.

Didn't work last year with Collins at C and Wemby at PF. Victor was obviously much better once he kicked to C and was given the extra interior freedom the lack of an additional big provided.

The idea going forwards should be the create more space for Wemby to operate in not less. Basically needs a Sochan-sized player at PF for the long-term but ideally one that can actually shoot.

[Chinook]

You think this was maniacal genius Wright cackling and wringing his hands while the rest of the organization sat there helpless? Lol, seriously?

Bro. Do you think Wright is a little kid or something? He's a millionaire executive. ing low-level supervisors cover up sexual harassments claims. You don't have to be a genius to sit on something you think is embarrassing

[DPG21920]

How can any one possibly argue a guy being accused of covering up repeated instances of sexual harassment and exposing his company to potentially millions of dollars of legal damages, could lose their job? Pretty easily. Did Spurs fans block out the incident or something?

What happened with Primo wasn't a minor thing. He's never had his day in court, and while there have been a couple of judgments against him corroborating the allegations, we don't know the full extent of them. But if they are true, Primo was and maybe still is a sexual predator who cornered multiple women and exposed himself to them. Wright and certain other Spurs executives knew he was doing it and suppressed allegations against Primo to the point of not renewing the contract of the victim who pushed the hardest to bring the allegations to light. Because of their inaction, Primo potentially exposed himself to more women while working for and representing the organization. That could have been prevented had the allegations been taken seriously and intervention happened.

Now the above as I said isn't fully substantiated. We don't know what happened, and I certainly have some issues with the case that POS Buzbee laid out. But IF that is what happened, Wright 100-percent should have been fired. It's far worse than Buford's DWI. I'm hoping there was a lot more nuance in the events, but the story itself has played out too many times to excuse (again, if it happened as they alleged it did), and for all we know, it could have been even worse than we heard.

No, the Spurs can never bring Primo back, even if he turned out to be good. No, the Spurs can't bring in another player accused to SA without taking a massive PR hit. And no, Wright and the rest of the front office didn't get out of the situation unscathed. This is 2024. It's a testament to the organization's effort toward cultivating their image that they weathered the controversy as well as they did. But the foundation is still very cracked from it, and pretending like what happened wasn't the huge deal it was wont' discourage it from happening again.

Ya - I was more talking specifically GM’ing. I thought he was going to be fired for sure with Primo stuff.

[Chinook]

Good grief the pervert sucked along with being a pervert

The thing is he wasn't accused to being a pervert. He was accused to being a predator. He wasn't sniffing panties or watching tentacle porn. He was cornering hotel staff and exposing himself. It's important to call things as they are so people don't start rewriting history.

[Mugen]

Tbh if we get dillingham, clingan, and also fire Wright that’s a pretty great scenario in my book

Get the old man outta there as well and then we're really cookin'

[GAustex]

The thing is he wasn't accused to being a pervert. He was accused to being a predator. He wasn't sniffing panties or watching tentacle porn. He was cornering hotel staff and exposing himself. It's important to call things as they are so people don't start rewriting history.

noun. plural perverts. Britannica Dictionary definition of PERVERT. [count] : a person whose sexual behavior is considered not normal or acceptable.

[Chinook]

noun. plural perverts. Britannica Dictionary definition of PERVERT. [count] : a person whose sexual behavior is considered not normal or acceptable.

Being a pervert isn't a crime, and reducing the accusations to "abnormal" or even "unacceptable" sexual behavior mutes the full impact of the issue. People start remembering the situation as Primo being too immature to control his fetish and causing a minor PR event instead of a man committing sex crimes and the organization being accused of covering them up. That's how you can have posters talk about bringing him back, because they don't realize it was actually a big deal, from a legal-liability standpoint at least, if not a moral one.

[GAustex]

^ dude is still a pervert
But if you wish
A perverted predator

[scott]

Yeah execs definitely get fired when they fail to do anything about sexual assault being reported to them (which was accused). Could have easily seen Wright taking the bullet on that one... honestly surprised no one from the organization got canned over that.

[Mr. Body]

Wright didn't get fired because it's clear the whole organization was making decisions together. They seemed to try to work things out internally. Primo persisted. He was waived. End of story. If you want to think something beyond this happened, write a novel about it.

[Chinook]

^This is definitely not what was accused or reported. If this were true, the organization would be significantly more liable than they were. Pop and RC were specifically framed as not knowing what was going on. If they did and "handled it internally" by letting the psychologist go and doing nothing to prevent Primo from exposing himself to more people while on team business, that's so much worse.

[GAustex]

Primo pick was a disaster of the highest order. Pitiful management

[Chinook]

I feel bad for timvp though, because I'm contributing to hijacking his thread about Clingan for Primo bull . So I'll leave it there.

I don't think the Spurs will draft him, and I don't know that the rumors about ATL coveting him have any merit. But the Spurs are in a great position to benefit from him regardless.

[tbdog]

Clingan will be zubac or Hartenstien. That's kinda his ceiling. Centers that start but can't finish games.

[Anonymous Cowherd]

I'd want Wright fired on the spot if he drafted Clingan at either #4 or #8 tbh.

He shouldn't be available at 8, but if he is we absolutely should take him in order to get a higher value - and rarer to replicate - asset without having to sacrifice picking the lottery draftee that can most help our team (because we'd have already done that at #4).

Grabbing someone who could easily be top 3 at 8 because we uniquely have 2 lottery picks is like an *exact* scenario of how to maximise that specific advantage.
The only reason he'd be at 8 is because every other team 1-7 only gets 1 shot to improve their overall team with a top-end of class draftee.

[BatManu20]

I'm pretty confident Clingan will not be a Spur on draft night tbh, barring a rare draft-and-trade scenario. He's just a weird fit with Wemby and we have bigger needs. Although we do need a better defensive backup Center so our interior D doesn't turn to every time Wemby sits. Don't think Clingan will be there at Pick 8 anyways (hopefully ).

[LeBowen]

It doesn't look like Pistons are interested.
If they pass on him, it feels like he could drop all the way to #9. Grizzlies would surely pick him.
Kind of a strange situation for the Hawks. Everyone keeps talking about a trade with the Spurs, but I think they should call the Blazers and do the #1 for #7 and #14 trade if they really want Clingan.

[rascal]

^This is definitely not what was accused or reported. If this were true, the organization would be significantly more liable than they were. Pop and RC were specifically framed as not knowing what was going on. If they did and "handled it internally" by letting the psychologist go and doing nothing to prevent Primo from exposing himself to more people while on team business, that's so much worse.

I don't believe what was reported, that Pop and RC didn't know what was going on. Those guys know everything that is going on. The organization tried to downplay it until they couldn't anymore and it became public. That's why no one person took the blame and got fired. They even had no desire to let Primo go until it reached a point they had to.

[rascal]

It doesn't look like Pistons are interested.
If they pass on him, it feels like he could drop all the way to #9. Grizzlies would surely pick him.
Kind of a strange situation for the Hawks. Everyone keeps talking about a trade with the Spurs, but I think they should call the Blazers and do the #1 for #7 and #14 trade if they really want Clingan.

I can see that happening and Sarr going to Portland.

[TrainOfThought5]

Talking about literally everyone but Buzelis and Carter, who we’re probably going to actually choose is crazy