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Not necessarily. I’m sure there would be other interested parties. Memphis just needs to know they’re not the only game in town.
I don’t see much of a chance at all that they choose Buzelis.
Not necessarily. I’m sure there would be other interested parties. Memphis just needs to know they’re not the only game in town.
I’ll repeat why is Clingan ahead of Edey? Edey outperformed Clingan at the combine, in particular in agility drills in addition to outmeasuring him. Just trying to understand serious question here…?
age probably, but yeah i agree, edey's profile is very interesting
Trading down for a real asset and taking Edey has been an obvious move from the get go. I never had Clingan in my top 10 for Spurs though either way.
i don't know, i'm thinking this a great draft for centers and ty for everything else.. i mean guys with those kinds of wingspans are extremely rare, but there's at least 3 with preposterous size in this draft..
Combine should only ever be a tie breaker, not THE basis for a draft decision.
I’m in record saying that Edey can be successful in the NBA if a team is willing to build their offense and defense around him.
I don’t believe the Spurs are that team because Wemby is our centerpiece.
So why do I like Clingan and not like Edey for the Spurs?
It comes down to defense.
Clingan has already shown an ability to defend the pick and roll well in drop coverage.
Most scouts believe that will translate to the NBA.
Eden, otoh, has struggled with that more and has shown less anticipation and skill in that area.
Scouts generally believe he will played off the floor with PnR.
Right but Edey put up I believe about 37-16 v Clingan and the ratings don’t seem consistent at all with that discrepancy as Clingan #s were junk by comparison. Lopez gets plenty of play and I don’t see why Edey couldn’t be a considerably stronger version of him. Edey can abuse just about any center on the planet inside. He had a hyper aggressive inside game with an unstoppable hook shot and baby soft touch. He withdrew from the draft and did nothing but train to improve physically and skill-wise.
Edey would put up 30-15 and not even look like he was having a good game. Clingan does no such thing and I thought the blocks were similar. The idea that his inside game doesn’t translate, if you actually watched him (not saying you didnt) won’t translate seems unfounded to me. Who is big and bad enough to stop him in today’s NBA. Wemby maybe?
I think it comes down to Clingan being a better defensive anchor. He's a better shotblocker and appears to patrol the paint better. I do think the discrepancy in draft positions may be too much. Clingan also is getting 'potential shooter' tags, which is too optimistic. To me, they're very similar prospects in that they were dominant in college but it may not translate at all.
Edey probably projects as needing touches around the basket, where he's good, but this isn't the modern NBA offense. He's also two years older.
There is a thought out there that Edey's game won't translate well on the NBA level. He is "slow twitched" so to speak and doesn't run the floor as well. Clingan shows to have a faster twitch to react to players making moves to the basket or whatever else. Be it because he has better anticipation or maybe better agility. Basically, there is more bust potential on Edey in today's NBA. So he is predicted to go late first round because of this. They obviously could be wrong but that's what the tape shows.
I understand there is some thought and evidence that Clingan reacts better and Edey was prone to be out of position, though I saw those comments after the carving up by the machine that was last year’s UConn team. I didn’t feel like those made up for the massive discrepancy in PPG and RPG production.
And the scoring and rebounding of Edey seem like the things most likely to translate. I also like the durability Edey showed, often resting only 1-2 minutes per game.
Clingan played within an offense. Edey was the offense.
I've come around on Edey quite a bit over the last couple of weeks. Edey basically suffers in the same way that Gobert does, although his impact is obviously not at the same level - his game is aesthetically ugly, he looks uncoordinated and clumsy, doesn't have a bag, and it's easy to point at his success and just say that "he's big". He's not going to be respected at all in 5 years even though I predict his impact metrics are going to be at minimum league average and probably way above that. I would not be opposed at all to trading down and picking up an extra asset for 8 and then taking him late lottery or mid-first, and having him as a permanent fixture as a backup big playing 20-25 minutes.
I think it's close between him and Clingan, and Edey in the mid-first may be better value than Clingan early lottery. Clingan provides way better rim protection and can anchor a much better defense and shut down the paint entirely. However, Edey anchored a top 20% defense the last 2 years with terrible perimeter defenders while expending a ton of energy as the focal point of a post-centric offense so his impact on defense might be understated. Additionally, while Clingan has not shown as much of an ability to punish smaller shooting lineups, Edey will make it impossible to play a smaller or even average sized big against him - he shot 80% at the rim against double and triple teams all year, is one of the offensive rebounders of the last 25 years, and will have a monstrous size advantage against every small big in the league - guys like Daniel Gafford, Bobby Portis, Okongwu are going to get their lunch eaten in the post without a constant double.
The post-centric offensive big may be all but obsolete, but there a lot of duds in this draft with "potential" who just haven't produced and at some point I think you just have to go for good basketball players in poor molds over theoretical players in ideal molds. There's been nobody as dominant as Edey in college basketball in the last 25 years and at some point I think you have to take a shot on a guy with literally Shaq-like offensive numbers who only started playing basketball 6 years ago to see if that production translates.
I'd rather use the early second on a project big that we can add to the pile, preferably one that has some level of shooting upside.
I've said before that I think a solid handful of seven footers in the next decade will owe their contracts as bench guys whose main job is to offset Wemby... and I think adding Edey as a 20 mpg back up center would amplify this problem. How many teams will have the personnel to deal with 48 full minutes of 7'4"+ offensive attacks? Or end-of-quarter final possessions where Wemby + Edey are on the floor together? If the player(s) the Spurs want are gone by #8, I could definitely see trading back to grab Edey plus another asset. The circus visuals alone make it interesting.
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Not a Clingan guy but I could see SA being much higher on him than the fanbase. He does have a really solid floor. Worried about that foot injury history though.
Not sure Clingan is the answer but Spurs have to protect their investment in Wemby and looking at the depth you have Zollins who was really struggling last season but did have a really strong finish to the season prior and you have Bassey with health issues.
You may not really have much at all behind Wemby when you really get down to it. What happens when Wemby needs to rest, or god forbid has an injury? These backups look like even in support roles and they are going to crumble if thrust into starter roles too big for them. Not sure who the answer is, maybe SA knows Bass is back and going to be good to go? Heard at one point Bass was out until camp lol so that's not an ideal timeline for confidence there. Maybe Zollins has a serious bounce back? Season before Wemby he looked good esp after the ASB. Then Wemby comes and Zollins lost his start and maybe that was the issue?
But Wemby is too valuable not to have better depth around him. It'd have to be a definitive Robin, SA has their Batman. And it'd need to compliment Wemby's game, not sure Clingan does that. Could be a PF really tbh, esp a shooting PF, the C could then just be a second rounder third string insurance big.
I think Vic plays more than 28 min. 35 min at his peak and close to 40 in the playoff. So thats 13 min and 8 min at best.I've said before that I think a solid handful of seven footers in the next decade will owe their contracts as bench guys whose main job is to offset Wemby... and I think adding Edey as a 20 mpg back up center would amplify this problem. How many teams will have the personnel to deal with 48 full minutes of 7'4"+ offensive attacks? Or end-of-quarter final possessions where Wemby + Edey are on the floor together? If the player(s) the Spurs want are gone by #8, I could definitely see trading back to grab Edey plus another asset. The circus visuals alone make it interesting
1 minute 45 seconds together every quarter would equal 7 mpg... end of quarter possessions, etc... that puts Wemby at 35 and Edey at 20. Just one example.
No way Wemby plays 35 mpg this year.
I predict 30 or 31 at most.
The last time the Spurs won a le Tony led the team with 29.4 mpg.
And it would be dumb to burn Wemby’s odometer on a season where playoffs are unlikely.
A good backup big could easily average close to 20 mpg on this team.
-C
I totally agree with knoxx wiew...there Is no logical reason not tò consider Edey a less valuable player than Clingan expecially for us...add tò that he Is a wonderful High character guy and totally coachable and loves the game and wants tò win.
Imho we should try in any possibile way tò draft him (One way could be switching Chicago 2025 with Chicago 2024). A trio of Castle, Risacher and Edey woulbd be my favourite draft night...
Sorry i was meaning a more valuable player...
We take Cling we plug a HUGE hole defesively. We could play them two against larger front courts but mostly Clinghan could continue the inside defense when Wemby is on the bench. Hey may drop to 4 if Castle gets taken. Cling is worth an extra 10 wins just coming off the bench next year alone and whoever we take at 8 will just continue to help fill out the help Wemby needs
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