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Think the Dillingham dream might be dead tbh. Don't see the Spurs taking him at 8 anymore. Think they're looking for positional size.
Agreed. It’s not the end of the world if SA does this, but as I said, they better truly believe in these guys being legit all star level guys to smoke Keldon + 8 for them given how this draft seems and how they rate as overall prospects (not prospects just comparatively to who is in this draft).
If Im SA and you really want pick 5, I would much prefer using pick 8 + a future pick and just keep Keldon while getting your guys in the draft. That way, you aren’t worried about free agency and needing to replace him and you can also have him to use for something more valuable if need be later on due to his talent and contract.
Think the Dillingham dream might be dead tbh. Don't see the Spurs taking him at 8 anymore. Think they're looking for positional size.
Also since I argued no way Keldon would have Poeltl's trade value, Poeltl's VORP the season he was traded and the season before were 1.9 and 1.7 while Keldon is barely above replacement level at 0.2 VORP (and 0.1 the year before). I think Spurs fans might have to come to terms with the idea that maybe Keldon Johnson is just a dime a dozen player in this league.
Last edited by baseline bum; 06-16-2024 at 11:31 PM.
That Dillingham video I posted above, shows why he'll be such a good offensive fit with Wemby.
Yeah he's a midget PF who goes through hot/cold shooting spells, can't play defense and does nothing spectacular on either end except yell. He was good for the tank but we need to move on.
I mean personally I’d just sit and take Risacher and Dillingham
that has been brian wrights archetype since his gm in detroit days.......nearly all brian wright picks have been busts.........dinwiddie is the only player brian wright has ever gotten right in a draft..........
Maybe theres some truth to that, but hes had seasons above that (I think he had a .9 season) and theres been a lot of flux.
He’s not a playmaker. He doesn’t shoot well. He doesn’t defend well. The latter two are typically how role players have an impact
Julian Champagnie is better than Keldon Johnson.
Prime example of ST meming. Some folks haven't realized that having flaws is not the same thing as being bad. That line of thinking is how Spurs Pau was talked about as a liability despite being one of the better defensive centers in the NBA and how Tre Jones can be one of the best defenders on the team while having folks obsessing over putting in a bigger PG for defensive purposes. Keldon is certainly flawed, and unless some things change, it's likely the team can't afford to play him big minutes when they start trying to contend. However, that time isn't now. The team's focus should be on converting the assets and flexibility they have into a deep roster that can sustain the loss of talent that comes with a big trade. They only have a handful of legit NBA rotation players. They shouldn't burn one of the few they have in a goal of maybe improving another position.
I've said before that I believe adding a running mate off the bench for Johnson would dramatically improve the second unit. Maybe that's drafting Dillingham. Maybe that's signing Monk. Maybe that's trading for Clarkson. There are a lot of paths to go. Ideally, the Spurs would be 8-10 deep with legit players/strong prospects. As far as who beats whom and where everyone should slot, let their play determine that instead of preemptively getting rid of every player who's ever wrong you.
Yup. This board has lost the plot completely on Keldon imo. Can he be improved upon? Absolutely. Is he a bad player? Nope.
His playmaking improved notably imo.
Is he a bad player for current Spurs roster? No.
But that's only because this roster barely has any actual NBA players.
Is he a bad player if we talk playoff team rosters? Absolutely.
He's a traffic cone on defense, has negative IQ on both ends which leads to those tunnel vision drives and bad shot selection.
Decent energy guy for bad teams, but players like him are a non-factor in the playoffs.
He's been with the Spurs for five seasons. He is what he is.
I'd much rather get rid of him right now hile some teams still might be dumb enough to think he has positive value than just let him go for nothing in a year.
That’s fine but salary dumping him is silly.
I didn't say anything about salary dumping.
There are still teams that value him and if there's a good deal to be made, PATFO should do it.
He'd get salary dumped next year after everyone realizes he's not good.
No one hates Spurs players more than Spurs fans, and SpursTalk is the summit of Spurs player hate. SpursTalk despises almost every single player who has ever played for this franchise other than maybe four or five.
Go on and keep projecting just because I don't rate a player who's had five years to show off his talent and has made no improvements whatsoever.
The only positive thing about Keldon is that he seems to be a great guy and a vocal leader of the team.
You keep calling it salary dumping when it's moving an inconsequential player to get someone the team might really want. Keldon will be 25 on opening night, he is as good right now as he'll most likely ever be. It's not like I'm saying dump Sochan to move up to 5.
I’ll give you that his shooting is up and down, but his career mark is ~36%. He’s shot 40% for a season, so to say he can’t shoot is just hating. He’s also averaged 2.9 and 2.8 assists the last two years as someone who’s not handling the ball all that much. If you like advanced stats, his assist % the last two years has been 13.7 and 14.2. His asst/to ratio last year was 2.
You should cry about this very subject on reddit. You can circle jerk there to your hearts content.
I've already come to terms with the fact that the Spurs won't take Dillingham at 8. I just hope they use the pick on something productive, and not Primo v2.0
I'd bet you my house that doesn't happen, but I won't because I know next thing you'd take that bet for real
Me: "People on SpursTalk are idiots who hate their own players."
You: "AMOOHONMGNGNGNALNWHARMGGLRLGLGLGMMBMBME"
Moving up 3 spots is salary dumping. Trading Keldon + pick 8 to go to 5 is salary dumping.
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