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    I didn't say anything about salary dumping.
    There are still teams that value him and if there's a good deal to be made, PATFO should do it.
    He'd get salary dumped next year after everyone realizes he's not good.
    The trade discussed here is salary dumping.

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    Go on and keep projecting just because I don't rate a player who's had five years to show off his talent and has made no improvements whatsoever.
    The only positive thing about Keldon is that he seems to be a great guy and a vocal leader of the team.
    This is not true and again, only on SpursTalk do people think this. It’s funny, because Im not here trying to defend Keldon like hes a superstar, but hes way better than most here rate.

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    Best part about that video was showing an early-season Texas A&M ranked 7 and then unranked in a later clip. Why are the Aggies so profoundly overranked in bball and football every in year in pre/early season rankings?

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    Moving up 3 spots is salary dumping. Trading Keldon + pick 8 to go to 5 is salary dumping.
    You can keep saying it but it doesn't make it so.

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    This is not true and again, only on SpursTalk do people think this. It’s funny, because Im not here trying to defend Keldon like hes a superstar, but hes way better than most here rate.
    Then why is he statistically replacement level and has been 4 out of the 5 years of his career? Only was significantly above replacement level in a contract year back in 21-22.

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    Then why is he statistically replacement level and has been 4 out of the 5 years of his career? Only was significantly above replacement level in a contract year back in 21-22.
    So then hes shown he can be well above replacement…that’s how I see it.

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    You can keep saying it but it doesn't make it so.
    It 100% makes it so. Getting no player of value in return and giving up a lottery pick to simply get 3 more spots up is in every way a functional salary dump. I dont see how to frame it any other way.

    Im talking about value. You are saying spurs are getting their guy and that’s fine, but from a value perspective since you also have pick 8 and the players available there, that gap in 5 v 8 even if you rate Castle a tier higher than the others is still a salary dump.

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    It 100% makes it so. Getting no player of value in return and giving up a lottery pick to simply get 3 more spots up is in every way a functional salary dump. I dont see how to frame it any other way.

    Im talking about value. You are saying spurs are getting their guy and that’s fine, but from a value perspective since you also have pick 8 and the players available there, that gap in 5 v 8 even if you rate Castle a tier higher than the others is still a salary dump.
    That's only because you have this crazy belief that Keldon could land you the #5 pick on his own. I don't think it's crazy to move a near replacement level player to jump up to a higher tier pick.

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    That's only because you have this crazy belief that Keldon could land you the #5 pick on his own. I don't think it's crazy to move a near replacement level player to jump up to a higher tier pick.
    Nah. You can think that Castle is tier 1 in this class and everyone pick 6 and later is tier 3 and it still be a terrible value trade objectively. Again though, am I saying it would be the end of the world? Nope.

    SA can survive a bad value trade, but that doesnt make it not a bad value. And the pressure would certainly be on to make that pick truly be a legit hit vs just ok. Otherwise you just smoked a legit young nba rotational player for absolutely nothing.

    It sounds insane to me to say Castle, with his flaws and how hes big picture viewed as worth a legit nba player AND another lottery pick.

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    Me: "People on SpursTalk are idiots who hate their own players."

    You: "AMOOHONMGNGNGNALNWHARMGGLRLGLGLGMMBMBME"
    Yeah you got me with your smooth brain comment.

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    Dumbasses hijacking the Dillingham thread. Dilly getting leapfrogged by Carter and Bub on Yahoo latest Mock. Due to great workouts.

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    Dumbasses hijacking the Dillingham thread. Dilly getting leapfrogged by Carter and Bub on Yahoo latest Mock. Due to great workouts.
    Not surprising. I wonder if they looked at the Top 10 and said if SA isn't happening then mid-first teams are the better long-term landing spots. Still a little crazy that the best on-ball offensive creator / playmaker is pushing out of the lottery in mocks, but the defense and size are legitimate limiters to reach whatever upside he might have. Still could be a future sixth man award winner. I'm probably more torn on him than any other dude in this draft.

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    I’ll give you that his shooting is up and down, but his career mark is ~36%. He’s shot 40% for a season, so to say he can’t shoot is just hating. He’s also averaged 2.9 and 2.8 assists the last two years as someone who’s not handling the ball all that much. If you like advanced stats, his assist % the last two years has been 13.7 and 14.2. His asst/to ratio last year was 2.
    i didnt say he cant shoot, i said he doesnt shoot well

    his career% is a hair under 36% and the only full season he actually shot above that number is the one fluke 40% season (im not including his rookie season with 22 total 3pt attempts). not incluidng said rookie season, he's shot 33%, 40%, 33% and 35%. it's who he is. he's not a plus shooter, nor does he have a particularly quick/clean release

    im not saying he's a worthless player, i wouldnt dump him just to move up from 8 to 5 in this draft, but i recognize that his value is kind of limited because the main thing he does well is barrel to the rim.

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    Rumors that he's really sliding and will go out of the top 10.

    That's surprising if the case, but maybe not so much. Maybe suggests there are some questionable things about personality, agency, or otherwise.

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    Dumbasses hijacking the Dillingham thread. Dilly getting leapfrogged by Carter and Bub on Yahoo latest Mock. Due to great workouts.
    Wouldn't surprise me if all the mocks are way off on this draft and I expect teams are going to have drastically different evaluations and orderings of talent. Could make trades really tricky this year.

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    Mocks seem a little pointless in this draft. But him sliding makes sense in the context of not just size but in a flat draft if you aren’t working out etc then you run risk of being passed up

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    Maybe he’s faking the ankle injury because he wants to come to SA and ensure he’s available at #8 tbh

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    Maybe he’s faking the ankle injury because he wants to come to SA and ensure he’s available at #8 tbh
    That would be genius... if they actually wanted him.

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    Best part about that video was showing an early-season Texas A&M ranked 7 and then unranked in a later clip. Why are the Aggies so profoundly overranked in bball and football every in year in pre/early season rankings?
    Splits... They were the 7 seed in the conference tournament, not 7th in the nation. C'mon man.

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    Maybe he’s faking the ankle injury because he wants to come to SA and ensure he’s available at #8 tbh
    It’s possible but you better have a promise from SA if you are doing that lol

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    Prime example of ST meming. Some folks haven't realized that having flaws is not the same thing as being bad. That line of thinking is how Spurs Pau was talked about as a liability despite being one of the better defensive centers in the NBA and how Tre Jones can be one of the best defenders on the team while having folks obsessing over putting in a bigger PG for defensive purposes. Keldon is certainly flawed, and unless some things change, it's likely the team can't afford to play him big minutes when they start trying to contend. However, that time isn't now. The team's focus should be on converting the assets and flexibility they have into a deep roster that can sustain the loss of talent that comes with a big trade. They only have a handful of legit NBA rotation players. They shouldn't burn one of the few they have in a goal of maybe improving another position.

    I've said before that I believe adding a running mate off the bench for Johnson would dramatically improve the second unit. Maybe that's drafting Dillingham. Maybe that's signing Monk. Maybe that's trading for Clarkson. There are a lot of paths to go. Ideally, the Spurs would be 8-10 deep with legit players/strong prospects. As far as who beats whom and where everyone should slot, let their play determine that instead of preemptively getting rid of every player who's ever wrong you.
    Nah, some are just unbiased enough to take off the rose colored glasses and contextualize his counting stats.

    If fans can do so within' minutes with publicly available information, then surely people who get paid to do this for a living wouldn't be fooled by trivial things like "he's averaged 15-20 ppg" (so has Oubre Jr. and it got him a minimum contract last season).

    The reality is, he's a player without a defined role. He's not a creator or a 3 and D type and he's now a young veteran, so he's a tricky fit.

    The Spurs shouldn't and wouldn't purely salary dump him, but jettisoning his salary in a trade for a starter would have ancillary value all the same.

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    Splits... They were the 7 seed in the conference tournament, not 7th in the nation. C'mon man.
    Ok, you're right. Pre-season last year they were ranked 15. Same question applies, gies are always ranked high in pre/early season basketball and football, yet consistently fail to do anything significant.


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    Rumors that he's really sliding and will go out of the top 10.

    That's surprising if the case, but maybe not so much. Maybe suggests there are some questionable things about personality, agency, or otherwise.
    can somebody explain to me why klutch is supposedly evil

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    can somebody explain to me why klutch is supposedly evil
    Are you serious?

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    very much so

    we had dejounte who was with klutch. murray didnt complain while here. he signed a good contract with us. mutually agreed to part ways w/ the spurs (who also wanted to rebuild and apparently asked him if he wanted to stick around for that). he didnt force his way out or complain or anything. went to atlanta, and after 1 season he signed an extension with them when he could have waited until free agency and extracted more money, but decided to do right by his new team.

    what other experience do the spurs have with klutch? when marcus morris was a dip , klutch dropped him as a result of it since they didnt support what he did

    is it really just because anthony davis went to LA?

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