good scoring touch and finishing ability with the length that lets you believe that part of his game will translate. an already sound defender with tools to be a very good one, mainly needs to improve strength on that end
High motor guy and coachable(not that Williams isn't coachable), and good slasher to the basket. 3 point shot is questionable, but there is no evidence that Williams will be consistent there either. Williams doesn't look to take the shot. He defers alot. Rather have a guy who is high motor and high effort. That's something you can always work with.
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Actually wasn't really that good of a defender, was just long? Yeah part of it is strength, but he's not an advantage creator or a dampener on that end.
https://tankathon.com/players/compar...-cody-williams
What gets me is that Colorado started playing him less and less down the stretch of the season. Okay, yes, because they had veterans. But I've always felt Cody Williams was treated like a little baby, with kid gloves, with all kinds of excuses for his play. Babying him in a way other players don't get babied.
Castle is the same age and absolutely crushes him in production and advanced stats playing vital minutes for a juggernaut while Cody's minutes were getting cut. Castle outrebounded him by 2.4 per 36 minutes while being a guard. Castle even had a higher three point rate, that's how reluctant and slow Williams was with his shot. Yet we get this impression that Cody is a sixteen year old who needs to be brought around slowly while Castle is a fully formed twenty-four year old.
It would full on suck taking Williams at 4 and questionable to reach at 8.
Would be pleased with a Castle+Williams haul, but would be even happier if they’re able to drop back a few spots to pick up another asset while still drafting him.
brandon ingram has a similar build and currently weighs 190 pounds
And, once again, Johnny Furphy blows Cody Williams away.
https://tankathon.com/players/compar...-cody-williams
Way more willing to put the shots up, vastly better rebounder, actually a better defender, even.
i have castle a tier above williams on my board, so you dont necessarily have to sell me. though if castle is being drafted as a PG i probably drop him by 2 tiers
from a spurs-centric perspective, here's probably how i do it
Tier 1 - I would be happy if we selected him at #4 overall
Risacher
Sheppard
Dillingham
Tier 2 - I would be content with selecting him at #4, but would be happy getting him at #8
Sarr
Holland
Castle* (not point guard)
Tier 3 - I would be content with selecting him at #8
Buzelis
Cody Williams
Clingan
Tier 4 - I could live with selecting him at #8
Knecht
Topic
Collier
Carter
anybody else (read: Salaun) would be
sarr is a weird one because the fit isnt obvious but at some point you bet on the player talent and figure it out later. its also why i have clingan in tier 3
He was inured, but playing through it.
Yeah that's what they say. His pain threshold must be below that of a toddler.
Out of all those long, rangy wings - Buzelis, Risacher and Salaun - Williams is the guy I envision having the toughest road to getting on the NBA floor early.
He is working out for everyone and does not demand to play PG. I like him.
Williams is the rare forward in this draft who would probably be projected as the starting three rather than the backup four next year. If we were talking about Buzelis or Holland, they could play PF and possibly benefit both themselves and the team immediately by providing defense and dynamism to a bench that is pretty stagnant. Williams' lack of strength makes that harder. He can shoot and attack closeouts, though, and that's arguably what the team should want from their SF next year ESPECIALLY if they take Castle to be their starting PG. I'd worry about the roster overall if the Spurs ran a rotation of:
Castle, Jones
Vassell, Branham
Williams, Johnson
Sochan, Champangie
Wembanyama, Collins
It just kind of feels meh, though they'd still have their cap space and the RE in additions to trades and their second-rounders. Just feels like besides the push toward Monk, it would be easier to find a starting SF in the Spurs' price range (trading for Hunter, signing Jones or Patrick Williams) than it is to find another position to bolster the roster. If the Spurs want a shooting forward who could slot into the backup PF role, the Tyler Smith in a trade-down scenario might be better. Maybe they also add Edey or Carter if that situation.
Is that how you’re thinking about it? My mind has not even gone that far; to me it’s about BPA and who Spurs think that is longer term. We want to keep moving the team forward and winning more games, but theres not intense pressure for the draft picks this year to be immediate higher end starters or contributors in my mind. That just sort of clouds things for my thinking personally.
I dont disagree with what you said here, but more about the framework of approaching draft independent of FA/Trades as to me that’s really separate things to a degree.
JFC if they pick Williams at #4 I hope Brian Wright gets hung from his balls from the front of the Alamo.
lol why? Pick 4 or pick 8 in this draft is just not that different. If spurs like Cody, who cares if he is at 4 or 8 especially if they are fine with Castle, Carter, Reed, Dillingham and can for sure get one of them at 8 going into pick 4 where they don’t think Cody will make it?
It’s like ATL with Clingan and people saying hes a reach at one but it would be fine at 4. I mean, if it’s fine at 4, it’s fine at 1 tbh….sure trading back and getting extra is great if you can do it but at end of the day you just have to get your guys.
True enough. Getting whiplash from all these swings in the mocks. Guys are going either #1 or #17. Take just about anyone but please get at least one guy who can already shoot.
totally agree. if they really like Cody (assuming Risacher and probably Castle are gone), it will be the better strategy to pick him at 4. he likely won't be there at 8.
regarding all this strenght, weight and "toughness" talk....no one doubts the need for adding weight. and yes, his brother is a reference, because there is a very good chance that the same gene pool produces a similar development trajectory. Jalen went from 190 in his Freshman season, when he was 19 like Cody is right now, to 209 in the combine, when he was 21. you compare their body types and it's not that far off to think Cody should be able to gain some 20lbs in two years. or 30 if you consider NBA environment. maybe Colorade didn't put much focus on this. da Silva took some time to gain weight as well.
no one knows if this solves the "toghness" issue, but it won't hurt in this department.
rebounding....yeah, that's an issue. but he wasn't a bad rebounder in high school and, for whatever this is worth, at the FIBA U19 world cup he had 8.1 rebounds per 36 minutes (7 games). as has been pointed out, Colorado was a good rebounding team, so you can make a case, that rebounds he allegedly should have got, ended up in the hands of a teammate.......Cody might just not have been egoistic enough about his stats, or there was a general rule to leave the windfall to the guards an get on the break.
Considering how strong last years draft was, and how few didn't look like disasters - really makes you wonder if any of these picks will start.
This guy is the definition of role player...jack of all trades, master of none. No dog in him to elevate to star or superstar level. And it'll take him a year or more to get there. He's smart and skilled, but I'd be disappointed if he ends up in a Spurs uni at #4. Maybe he'd be an okay pick at #8, depending how the board falls.
Picking him at 4 literally means they value him over other prospects as they prioritize not having three needy teams possibly take him, no?
Taking him at 4 means they prioritize him over nearly everyone else in the draft.
He definitely seems like the type of Cosby Kid that is irresistible to Brian Wright. I really don't have a strong opinion on him other than I can see the Spurs being interested in him...
I agree that ultimately if they really love Williams and he’s their guy, then it’s not worth risking it to hope he drops to 8…but I guess it’s just more so a pretty surprising development if they like him more than Sheppard/Castle/Risacher. Feel like most of the consensus big boards out there don’t have Williams top 5.
In the end we have to trust the Spurs’ FO over industry draft analysts regardless so it is what it is. Hope they don’t go with him at 4 though.
Ingram is taller and longer.. Easily. Doing more research, he is likely 6'8" w/o shoes, 7' 3" wingspan, and closer to 200 lbs. Things like the aren't always updated every year. He was closer to 190 as a rookie. I imagine his hands were a lot bigger. That is the glaring thing I see on Cody Williams, good size and length. Terrible weight and small hands for his size.
My personal ranking of wings in this draft:
1. Risacher
2. Buzelis
3. Salaun
4. Williams
5. Knecht
The Spurs have to strike a balance between potential and production with their picks. They can't draft "two years away" players at 4 or 8. It's perfectly fine to draft guys who need a couple of years to grow into themselves, but those guys should still be rotation players this upcoming season. For example, Dillingham may need to gain muscle and learn defense, but he can still be a gunner off the bench. Holland and Buzelis need to learn to shoot, but they can still play the backup PF spot and contribute in the meantime. Williams is sort of locked into the starting SF role unless the Spurs want to run him and Keldon as the forwards off the bench, which could happen but is probably not a great idea. The good news is because he can shoot and because Sochan is available to guard size, Williams might be able to survive there.
Free agency and the rest of the summer aren't independent of the draft, though. Yes, the Spurs should draft BPA, but who that ends up being will affect what moves the team makes going forward. If they draft guards, they shouldn't be looking to spend big on a guard in free agency. If they draft forwards, they shouldn't also trade for Hunter or sign Jones/Williams. The Spurs only have so many roster spots, and the last thing they should want is to freeze out their own young players with their new free-agent acquisitions. I'm all for compe ion, but that means having viable options at every spot and letting young guys earn their time, not by stacking a couple of positions with all of the investment
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