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Snyder apparently really likes him. I know they’re hoping someone trades up so they can get him later, but I don’t think there will be takers. That’s a complete ATL wet dream.
4. Castle
8. Topic
11. Salaun (Trade with the Bulls) What package would the Spurs send?
I can see the Spurs trying to get this out of the draft.
Snyder apparently really likes him. I know they’re hoping someone trades up so they can get him later, but I don’t think there will be takers. That’s a complete ATL wet dream.
Those picks are actually going to be amazing.
Taking Clingan with #1 pick.
Taking Clingan is no stupider than taking Sarr or Risacher. You're just infected with conventional bias that really ought to be questioned. Risacher and Sarr are very much not automatically top 2 players.Those picks are actually going to be amazing.
Taking Clingan with #1 pick.
They're not.
But Jakob Poeltl 2.0 isn't going to help them much with all the issues they have.
If he even becomes Jakob and not Alex Len.
They can't solve their problems with this pick. Their best bet is probably trading down and getting more than one player, but I doubt anyone's biting.
The pick for the Spurs at #4 assuming they don't trade out of the spot is Sheppard, Clingan, Castle, or an outside shot that Risacher will be there at 4.
Carter, Mcain, Carrington. The Spurs might get better value at the mid teens than 8th, tbh. What trade possibility is there to get down to that range?
no one pick is going to help "all the issues they have"
i don't really get the comparison, clingan is so much bigger
Random IG tidbits
Of all draftees
Sarr, Salaun, Castle, Risacher follow Wemby. Of these guys, Wemby only follows Sarr and Salaun.
Tony Parker is picky who he follows and only follows Wemby and Vassell from the current team. Of the draftees, he only follows Salaun. No Sarr or Risacher.
Rob Dillingham used to follow Wemby, but now he doesn’t. Wemby never gave him a follow.
yeah, while poodle was a good shotblocker who had good mobility for his size, he was never very strong and would often get bullied in the post by the likes of valanciunas, KAT, etc. was also never a good defensive rebounder
i think clingan is a similar archetype to poodle, but bigger/stronger. but he's not putting on many moves in the post, he's not stretching the floor (both solid passers tho), he's not switching onto guards. its kinda like poodle's game in brook lopez' body
Yahoo's latest mock added another trio to the mid teens - 16. Dilli, 17. Holland, 18. Topic. Somebody nice is going to slide. As far as a trade? Not sure either team would bite, but an entertaining one is with Portland, trading #4 for #7 + #14. Who would you pick with 7, 8, 14? I'll take Carter (I'm pretty high on him), Saluan (I think he's the Spurs guy), then I'll grab Holland (before the Lakers get him). Not sure how high Portland is on Clingan or how realistic this scenario might be, but it makes for a fun Fanspo sim to see who slides to you at 14.
I fear TP is gonna make PATFO draft Salaun.
Giannis stats pre-draft
7.9 ppg
5.2 reb
1.4 ast
1.5 tos
44.4 fg%
33.9 3pt%
70.4% ft%
would Spurstalk pass on Giannis today?
Note: I’m not comparing Giannis to anybody in this draft. I’m pointing out the nitpicking that posters do when it comes to meaningless numbers.
giannis had traits that were worth writing home about
he was tall, lanky with a huge wingspan and a good frame to add muscle. but he was also extremely athletic, and had a late growth spurt so he had the ball handling of a guard with the length of a forward. he had a lot of those coast to coast type plays on tape where he weaves, euro-stepped through traffic to finish at the rim. due to his handle there was a lot of room for upside with playmaking.
yes a lot of this seems like hindsight but go back and read pre-2013 draft scouting reports and they all say the same thing. they all harp on his insane athleticism, his ballhandling, and his defense. aside from the questions about compe ion, big question marks around giannis were his shooting, strength (but he was young/growing so this was seen as something that could be addressed), and defensive fundamentals, but he had also only been playing basketball for about 4-5 years at the time he was drafted, so the fact that he already showed the skill he had was eye opening
salaun has solid size/frame and is a willing shooter which is nice, but thats about all else we can see from him right now.
We should draft every player with those marginal stats then.
Sorry bro, but this is a downright awful argument. You can literally find similar stats of many prospects, many of which ended up being good players, and even more that ended up being bad players, and choose whichever you want, depending on the point you are trying to make.
At the end of the day, Giannis was a lottery pick, so I guess there was a fair expectation of him being good, tbh.
If anything, with those % one would thought Giannis would develop into a better shooter, tbh.
Regarding Salaun I think I brought him up 300 pages ago where I was looking at draft and stash a foreign player in the second round. I think he got a lot of buzz latter on because a lot of people were thinking he was this athletic SF "Kawhi" when in fact his position will be PF. He is OK, but to me he is very much like Sochan - as they are both players who play hard but are still very raw and going to take time to develop
If I knew what I knew at the draft about Giannis, I think he'd be in a similar spot to Salaun as an upside bet with a huge deal of uncertainty (more upside for Giannis, even weaker stats profile), where the stats profile is bleugh, but the athletic profile is in the "If he hits, he's a STAR." If he was in, and it turned out well and we passed on him at 4 / 8, it'd look bad, but I think the process would be fine.
Giannis worked out, but there are a lot of athletes in lower levels that get drafted based on hope (Bruno!!!), stats processes are based on general success in transforming into a high level player at the next level, though a lot of draft stats guys will also get to there being value in taking a swing on an uber athlete (especially when you consider less than ideal nutrition / training environment, bits of feel, etc).
If Ron Holland had the stats profile of Reed (or, quality, but a different level of stats star), he'd be so comfortably #1 that there wouldn't be a debate. This draft has odd stats darlings who seem less than ideal from a body / athletic profile standpoint (Reed, Clingan, Edey), and most people can think that even though they might be the top in a stats only board, assessing their profiles as prospects makes them more top 5 - top 25 prospects, rather than the clear top 3.
Let me clarify why I made my post.Sorry bro, but this is a downright awful argument. You can literally find similar stats of many prospects, many of which ended up being good players, and even more that ended up being bad players, and choose whichever you want, depending on the point you are trying to make.
At the end of the day, Giannis was a lottery pick, so I guess there was a fair expectation of him being good, tbh.
If anything, with those % one would thought Giannis would develop into a better shooter, tbh.
People here are hyper-focused on a single stat (specifically 3pt shooting) because of the current state of the NBA and/ or the current needs of this Spurs team. They’ll look at that single number and be ultra dismissive about anything else that player can bring.
“HeS a BaD sHoOtEr tHo. I dOnT waNt HiM”
Come on. A lot of folks are guilty of this.
The post really had nothing to do with Salaun. Although the more I watch, the more I see flashes of why he could be special. This post could actually be more about Matas than Salaun because Matas legitimately shows a nice skillset and nice fluidity that players his size don’t normally have… like Giannis.
and goddamn is Mr Body ing annoying.
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Parker worked his magic getting the Spurs to sign Lauvergne .... Can lightning strike twice?
The possession at 48:21… quite utterly ridiculous. That is what a star looks like. Plain as day.
Quite possibly has the best future of any player in this draft..
what leverage does he have? It would be Wemby to blame if anyone.
Matas/Carter wouldn't be the worst outcome, I guess. At least one will probably become an NBA player.
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