I believe at least one will depending on how it goes and of course depending on if Spurs stay at 4/8. Spurs have minutes available and unless something changes unexpectedly like trading for Garland/Trae/Murray type, I don’t think there will be pressure to “win” next season so they can afford developmental minutes too.
Especially because the guys that they would be taking minutes from (a combo of Graham who barley played, Branham/Blake who aren’t anything special at this point and also young, etc…) are not winning players (at least yet). Theres at least 7 guys that are not going to be long term players with the Spurs currently on roster that are easily replaceable if SA lands guys with higher ceilings.
So I think they will get minutes just by default in that regard
Not necessarily- it could just mean that they dont love any guard as much as they love a particular wing and that when they get to pick 4, they assess 4 guards are still available they feel indifferent about comparatively so picking their favorite wing makes more sense strategically
For sure - I would be nervous if they passed on Reed for Cody in that situation so Im not strongly advocating for Cody or something. But I also can understand, whether I personally value Cody highly or not, why if Spurs do that picking him 4 v 8 is just not an issue or that big of a reach. They’d only do that if they have strong intel that he would not make it to 8 and they really want him right?
So at that point, it would be confirmation it’s not a reach regardless of what mocks say since in reality another team was going to take him before 8 and had him rated highly as well.
Sure - Im just not worried about minutes even if we take projects. Literally half the team has proven very little to nothing and several are still young themselves still and can be replaced. It would be one thing drafting 2 projects and forcing them into a rotation over good players, but replacing Branham/Blake minutes for example with these guys is really not that different or big of a deal IMO.
You take BPA period IMO and there will be minutes even if you stack in free agency and trade. Just means you are waiving guys like Branham/Blake to do it and open up minutes or trading Tre Jones etc..
Or maybe the Spurs do apply game theory, and think that 5-7 is a PG dead zone, and that they’ll get one at 8.
We get the whole your guy is your guy thing. But personally speaking if they think Cody is BPA at #4 then they all need to be fired. I wouldn't put him ahead of Sheppard, Castle, or Clingan.
Clingan or an outside shot we get Risacher at #4 would be the only way we flip to drafting Guard at #8.
This is how I think of it. I think with two picks so close together, this has to be in play the most. Good news SA should have all the capital they need to move up if they need to with either DET or CHA one would think.
I hated The twins and Scoot, and still think they’ll all three bomb out. Three thru five in this draft may wind up being better than last year’s. There were some value picks after 5 last year, though.
Thats you though lol (and that’s fine). Not everyone is going to rate guys the same way and we just have to live with that. Fact is, regardless of how much you personally have Reed, Castle over Cody, not every FO will feel that way. That doesnt make it egregious.
Im not as high on Castle as most here; I think he has higher bust potential that most give credence to. But I would still be very happy if SA got him too and believed in him.
I like the wings more than all the guards except for Reed *personally*. I would love to walk away with 2 of Holland/Buzelis/Risacher/Cody at 4 and 8 if we dont get Reed. I don’t think that happens, but I would not mind it at all.
Much better to be choosy with the PG (Castle or Sheppard) knowing either Clingan or one of the wings with potential (Buzelis, Holland, Williams) will be there at 8 when the wings all have low floors while Castle and Sheppard are very hard not to see having long and productive NBA careers. And if it's Clingan the Spurs have a great trade piece or a good backup for Victor.
You like Cody Williams and think Castle is the one with bust potential? Worst case for Castle is he's a defensive stopper off the bench, like a Gary Payton II or a Patrick Beverley. Williams' floor could be Shanghai Sharks.
I like both Castle and Cody. I think Cody has bust potential. I simply said I think that Castle has more bust potential than posters like you give credence to. Those are different things.
He does seem like the sort of cautious player that the Spurs seem to overemphasize in my opinion, but the flip s aside to that is good character and good interviewing skills I suppose.
When I think of drafting Cody, for some reason I think of his potential flaws and then think of the opposite type of player such as Ron Holland, who despite his raw skills or lack thereof, has a lot of event creation and is not passive, so even though his shot is totally broken, there's a chance he will be open to completely reworking it, whereas a lot of people don't want to touch their shot at all, such as Devin Carter as he mentioned in an interview with KOC.
Obviously, no perfect candidates...
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Castle is the same level of cautious IMO. Dude refuses to look to score or shoot so many times. It’s one of my biggest concerns with him. So if you are drafting for defense and playmaking upside, Cody compares very well to him there.
While you were responding to my post, I was adding to it, and yeah being overly cautious at 19 years old, when most people are super aggressive at that age, can be a concern.
The same strong intel that made them feel compelled to take Primo at 12?
Again I do see where you’re coming from, and I don’t think Williams is THAT big of a reach. It wouldn’t surprise me at all if some teams would consider him in the 5-10 range. I just personally am higher on a few other guys and I even think the general consensus amongst experts is that Williams isn’t a top 5 guy, so can’t help but feel a little uneasy about them taking him at 4. Especially if someone like Sheppard is sitting there.
Edit: and I guess my question would be - how would you feel if they took Salaun at 4? He’s a guy who has gotten some buzz in the top 10 and it’s not crazy to see him going in the 5-7 range. Would you feel comfortable if the Spurs took him at 4 and just chalk it up to “Well we got our guy so you can’t get mad at it”? Not being flippant, legitimately curious.
For the record i'm not high on Castle either. At least at him translating to a True Point Guard. But he has enough traits to find a role for him. On the other hand I'm in agreement with BB that Cody's Floor is much lower.
The way I boil it down is I would be ok with walking away with 2 of these core guys and I dont care which one comes at 4 or 8: Reed, Holland, Buzelis, Castle, Risacher, Cody, Carter and SarrThe same strong intel that made them feel compelled to take Primo at 12?
Again I do see where you’re coming from, and I don’t think Williams is THAT big of a reach. It wouldn’t surprise me at all if some teams would consider him in the 5-10 range. I just personally am higher on a few other guys and I even think the general consensus amongst experts is that Williams isn’t a top 5 guy, so can’t help but feel a little uneasy about them taking him at 4. Especially if someone like Sheppard is sitting there.
Castle actually had a higher three point shot rate than Williams, meaning he was more willing to pull, or that Williams just never did.
They were both fitting in among many established older players. Castle took on many more duties than Williams ever did, who was sort of a tagalong. Again, Castle was aggressive when he needed to be and was incredibly important at the end of the season when Williams was finding his minutes cut and was close to unplayable.
There's really no comparison.
Without getting into the weeds I sort of disagree on that mainly on the basis that even if Castles floor is higher, it’s not materially higher to where it matters in reality. Having a higher floor doesnt help the Spurs and despite having a higher floor if those players are at their floors they wont be here long anyways.
Difference is Cody shot better, at least for stretches and I would buy his 3Ball more than Castles.
The nice thing about having 8 players on your list is that the Spurs are guaranteed to get two of them, of course assuming that their big board has the same 8 names at the top.
Exactly lol! I mean, who here feels SO strongly about two guys where its seems crystal clear beyond any reasonable doubt that theres 2 clear cut guys you can just bank on being really damn good with very little concerns?
I have 8 players on my list because the nature of this draft and the prospects. I normally have way higher conviction on a player or two; I just dont have that here on anyone but Reed/Holland but even then my hope of landing that duo isnt even me being mega sure about them with a really firm conviction; its just the two I personally have sort of reasoned as my comparative favorites in this draft.
Assuming Risacher is not there at #4, the only Wing/Player I'd want at 8 is Holland or Knecht. I don't get the hype around Buzelis, Cody seemed exciting at first until digging into his traits, and Salaun looks like a total project pick.
Not what I got out of watching Castle at all. Has a decent in between game with some nice floaters and size and good strength at the rim but shies away from shooting the three, which can hopefully be corrected like it was with Kawhi. Right now he looks like a better version of Jrue Holiday at the same age and he seems to have the motor to continue developing, which is something I'm a little concerned about with Williams seeing how disinterested and uninvolved he can look at times when I have watched Colorado games. Not saying I wouldn't draft Williams, as he could be a nice swing for the fences at 8.
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