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    very much so

    we had dejounte who was with klutch. murray didnt complain while here. he signed a good contract with us. mutually agreed to part ways w/ the spurs (who also wanted to rebuild and apparently asked him if he wanted to stick around for that). he didnt force his way out or complain or anything. went to atlanta, and after 1 season he signed an extension with them when he could have waited until free agency and extracted more money, but decided to do right by his new team.

    what other experience do the spurs have with klutch? when marcus morris was a dip , klutch dropped him as a result of it since they didnt support what he did

    is it really just because anthony davis went to LA?
    Why do you think the problem is exclusively with the Spurs?

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    Why do you think the problem is exclusively with the Spurs?
    to be frank i dont even know what the problem is

    is it literally just people mad that anthony davis wound up in LA?

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    Klutch doesn't do anything that other agents haven't done since the 90s tbh

    They're in the spotlight more because of LeBron obviously but even the they pull in LA is only because ing dumbass Jeanie and the Lakers org lets them....and in their defense, they literally got a ring out of it

    If you're going to blackball them then good luck on trying to build a successful team going forward...

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    Klutch doesn't do anything that other agents haven't done since the 90s tbh

    They're in the spotlight more because of LeBron obviously but even the they pull in LA is only because ing dumbass Jeanie and the Lakers org lets them....and in their defense, they literally got a ring out of it

    If you're going to blackball them then good luck on trying to build a successful team going forward...
    Lol, yeah, that's why they're a significant object of problematic conversation and concern, because they're the same as any other agency.

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    Lol, yeah, that's why they're a significant object of problematic conversation and concern, because they're the same as any other agency.
    What problematic conversation/concern? The only thing off the top of my head was the Nerlens Noel saga and that wasn't Spurs related. They did us a solid with the Dejounte deal and dropped Morris right after that BS

    They handle a lot of high profile NBA players including the biggest attention in the league so they're definitely in the news more. But they pull the same that every other agent/agency would do if they had the same leverage.

    Again, blackball them if you want. But they're a legit power broker in the league whether you like it or not so doing so would put your org in a precarious position tbh.

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    Lol, yeah, that's why they're a significant object of problematic conversation and concern, because they're the same as any other agency.
    let me know when you're ready to actually elaborate on this

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    Dillingham will work out for the spurs on Wednesday according to the latest mock draft by ESPN. They also have him mocked to the spurs interestingly enough

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    let me know when you're ready to actually elaborate on this
    The subject of Klutch and explaining the problems to someone who really ought to know better and find information very easily doesn't really interest me. Take that as invitation to figure it out on your own.

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    What a bunch of little children.

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    Said half-jokingly in another thread that Dillingham was faking the ankle injury to hide from other teams so the Spurs could get him. Still a total conspiracy theory but funny to hear that he’s now going to be working out for SA a week before the draft. Ankle healed just in time

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    Dillingham is losing interest on Spurstalk.

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    The subject of Klutch and explaining the problems to someone who really ought to know better and find information very easily doesn't really interest me. Take that as invitation to figure it out on your own.
    your inability to answer the question is duly noted

    i think its just "lebron bad"

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    Would still like Dilly at 8 FWIW. Don’t see it happening due to his size issues, but I’d be fine with it tbh. If you wanted Darius Garland, Dilly’s the closest thing you’re going to get to him in this draft. Very similar player to Brandon Jennings as well.


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    Would still like Dilly at 8 FWIW. Don’t see it happening due to his size issues, but I’d be fine with it tbh. If you wanted Darius Garland, Dilly’s the closest thing you’re going to get to him in this draft. Very similar player to Brandon Jennings as well.

    Does this guy actually have any legitimate sources or credibility? I see his tweets but it always seems like parrots others’ initial reports and/or is just purely speculating. Just curious if he’s ever actually proven himself as any sort of actual insider.

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    your inability to answer the question is duly noted

    i think its just "lebron bad"
    Nah. Used to be, agencies did the best for their individual players, but let teams build teams. Sure, they might steer players in certain directions, they might have a heavy hand in getting more money.

    Klutch is a different animal. They are trying to bypass teams and fanbases in order to create things their own way, forcing teams to accept their own players and leveraging unrelated deals in order to force other deals. Yes, this has largely been in service of LeBron, but really not. It's incredibly distorting what they do. Instead of acting as go-betweens in the player and team environment, they are increasingly trying to dictate what teams do for their own - Klutch's - benefit.

    I suspect you and everyone else on this board knows this, but either pretends to be stupid, or thinks this is actually a good thing, in which case you're amoral sociopaths. The business of pro sports was bad enough. Klutch is like a parasite that's sucking blood out for its own benefit, not anything remotely for the benefit of the sport or fandom.

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    I suspect you and everyone else on this board knows this, but either pretends to be stupid, or thinks this is actually a good thing, in which case you're amoral sociopaths.


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    Wonder if Dilly is even fully healthy or if he rushed back cause he saw the Spurs losing interest. Wish we had more insight to these workouts tbh.

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    The Spurs have won championships with small guards who weren't good defenders. As long as the effort is there, it can work.

    Dillingham is instant offense. Whether he's the starting PG or plays the 6th man role, he can score points. I'd love to see him play with Wemby, so I'd take him with #8 (Castle at #4).

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    There's no deal made that it's guaranteed that if the Lakers draft Bronny at 55, he (LeBron) will resign. If that was the case, I would force them to take him at 17.
    https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comment...made_that_its/


    Dat Klutch influence, tbh.

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    superstar with player option has leverage

    more at 11

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    Nah. Used to be, agencies did the best for their individual players, but let teams build teams. Sure, they might steer players in certain directions, they might have a heavy hand in getting more money.

    Klutch is a different animal. They are trying to bypass teams and fanbases in order to create things their own way, forcing teams to accept their own players and leveraging unrelated deals in order to force other deals. Yes, this has largely been in service of LeBron, but really not. It's incredibly distorting what they do. Instead of acting as go-betweens in the player and team environment, they are increasingly trying to dictate what teams do for their own - Klutch's - benefit.

    I suspect you and everyone else on this board knows this, but either pretends to be stupid, or thinks this is actually a good thing, in which case you're amoral sociopaths. The business of pro sports was bad enough. Klutch is like a parasite that's sucking blood out for its own benefit, not anything remotely for the benefit of the sport or fandom.
    was that so hard to actually type?

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    Moving up 3 spots is salary dumping. Trading Keldon + pick 8 to go to 5 is salary dumping.
    My apologies if someone already responded, but I don't view this as salary dumping at all. Obviously 5 is worth more than 8, so this is just placing Keldon's value at the delta between those two picks. By my (admittedly flawed) trade chart here: https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/sho...6#post11076426, this would put Keldon's value at a mid SRP. I'd say that he has more value than that...

    My personal opinion is that his value is probably a FRP from a playoff-bound team like the Thad Young and Derrick White trades a few years ago. The Raptors pick was lotto protected and the Celtics pick I think was technically unprotected but it was destined for the 20s. Both those deals also included other stuff of course (the TOR deal included them dumping Dragic, for one, and we gave up a high SRP so it was just just a trade down for them). Of course we also got some other assets in the DWhite deal... anyway, long story short... I think in the open market we could probably get a late FRP from a team destined for the playoffs... so while I think getting Keldon from just moving from 5 to 8 (especially in this draft) is an underpay for the team getting him... I wouldn't call it a dump by any means, the Spurs would still get getting positive value.

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    The Spurs have won championships with small guards who weren't good defenders. As long as the effort is there, it can work.

    Dillingham is instant offense. Whether he's the starting PG or plays the 6th man role, he can score points. I'd love to see him play with Wemby, so I'd take him with #8 (Castle at #4).
    This was my orignal dream scenario. Feel like the Spurs are more likely to take Carter or Topic at 8 than Dilly now though so I'm not holding my breath.

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    What a bunch of little children.
    Classic Mr. Body temper tantrum.

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