2024 NBA Draft Thread

[Vienna]

Jaylon Tyson getting some buzz as someone to watch for in the late lotto. Not sure we're talked about him at all (largely because we don't pick late lotto)

I noticed that James Barlow called him his top riser on his last podcast. He compared him to Knecht and called him the better prospect and a lottery candidate. (not that Barlow didn‘t change his mind often. Same like his brother).
but I think he has a point, Tyson might have been somehow overlooked over the last months. He is pretty big and strong and he does a lot of things well, can even play some point. might become a surprise on draft night.

[exstatic]

Yall are crazy RE: Cade. He is easily worth the ATL picks IMO and I wouldn’t hesitate if that was actually the cost/possible.

Regarding the draft, I really, really hope it starts out Clingan to ATL and Risacher to WAS. That puts HOU in a spot where if they want Reed (which is who I want most for SA) then they have to let Sarr fall to SA and Im sure that will not make them very happy to do it.

Then there could be a chance SA walks away with Sarr and Castle (with Castle maybe falling to 8 or via trade up with Detroit for 5 using pick 8 + something)

He’s not worth the ATL picks. He had one good year, a developmental leap spurred by a coach that just got fired. I’d wait until he can replicate that.

[exstatic]

I admire anyone who can claim anything with such certainty considering the state of the league in 2024 and all the that goes down with noone ever expecting it.

I think he’s talking about the Spurs, not league wide. SA has pretty much let it be known that they don’t feel this is the year to spend draft assets to make a big star player splash.

[exstatic]

I feel like we're just going to live through last offseason again. The team has been very clear about what they're going to do and not do. You're free to think they're gonna trade for Trae Young or whatever.

I don’t think it will be like last season, but agree that they’re not star hunting this year. They’ll probably do what Houston did last year, and add a couple of vets.

[exstatic]

If that happens, the question then becomes do the Spurs value Shepherd over Castle? Cause Reed definitely won’t be there at 8 tbh.

Neither will Castle.

[rjv]

You guys see the Don Harris tweet? Posting from phone so pain in the ass to link but came out of left field…claims an NBA executive told him Castle is very much in play at #1 to Atlanta, Salaun’s stock is rising, and the only thing that seems like a lock is Sheppard at 3 to Houston.

Not sure I buy it, all the ATL talk thus far has been centered around Clingan/Risacher. Castle would be a major surprise.

i'm sure don harris has been right about something. i just can't remember when.

[scott]

I'm not going to pretend to be an expert on the Perth Wildcats, but the league does seem to be rapidly gaining traction as one of the better ones outside of the NBA and he's essentially a kid.

I would think that is why the minutes are relatively low, as well as the counting stats.

Granted, he's not an offensive hub or strong rebounder either, so outside of blocks he probably won't pile them up period.

Claxton looks like the closest archetype.

Claxton makes a lot of sense too... but it doesn't really change my overall feelings. I wouldn't take Jalen Duren or Nic Claxton top 10, even in this draft. Definitely not someone I feel "we can't pass up" if he slides to #4.

I of course readily acknowledge this take may age very poorly and maybe Sarr will be great. I just can't see it.

[Mr. Body]

You guys see the Don Harris tweet? Posting from phone so pain in the ass to link but came out of left field…claims an NBA executive told him Castle is very much in play at #1 to Atlanta, Salaun’s stock is rising, and the only thing that seems like a lock is Sheppard at 3 to Houston.

Not sure I buy it, all the ATL talk thus far has been centered around Clingan/Risacher. Castle would be a major surprise.

Feels like Atlanta was dangling Risacher as bait to get the Spurs to move up. That didn't work, so now they're dangling Castle.

[RC_Drunkford]

Damn. OKC just got better.

great, Chicago now has 2 starters who can't shoot 3s in DeRozan and Giddey. This should be bad enough for them to miss the playoffs, but they also have to be good enough for our pick to convert.

[rascal]

You guys see the Don Harris tweet? Posting from phone so pain in the ass to link but came out of left field…claims an NBA executive told him Castle is very much in play at #1 to Atlanta, Salaun’s stock is rising, and the only thing that seems like a lock is Sheppard at 3 to Houston.

Not sure I buy it, all the ATL talk thus far has been centered around Clingan/Risacher. Castle would be a major surprise.

Trying to bait the Spurs into sending them their picks back.

[exstatic]

You guys see the Don Harris tweet? Posting from phone so pain in the ass to link but came out of left field…claims an NBA executive told him Castle is very much in play at #1 to Atlanta, Salaun’s stock is rising, and the only thing that seems like a lock is Sheppard at 3 to Houston.

Not sure I buy it, all the ATL talk thus far has been centered around Clingan/Risacher. Castle would be a major surprise.

I honestly won’t be surprised by any top 10 projected pick going #1. It might be that ATL will move on from DJ, and use Castle as his replacement. Bad idea, though. This is the exact kind of team Castle didn’t want to go to, and an already unhappy locker room will likely get worse. Good for us, though, I guess.

[Mr. Body]

great, Chicago now has 2 starters who can't shoot 3s in DeRozan and Giddey. This should be bad enough for them to miss the playoffs, but they also have to be good enough for our pick to convert.

Did anyone expect the pick to convey next year? The following two, it drops down to 1-8 protections.

[DPG21920]

CHI sucks so bad though. I cannot believe they didnt get a pick from OKC - that’s just ridiculous

If Giddey was worth Caruso, Keldon definitely worth pick 5

[Mr. Body]

CHI sucks so bad though. I cannot believe they didnt get a pick from OKC - that’s just ridiculous

If Giddey was worth Caruso, Keldon definitely worth pick 5

Why would they get a pick? Caruso has a single year on his contract left.

[TD 21]

CHI sucks so bad though. I cannot believe they didnt get a pick from OKC - that’s just ridiculous

If Giddey was worth Caruso, Keldon definitely worth pick 5

I knew this false equivalency was coming from you.

Giddey still has the sheen of a relatively high lottery pick, youth and even though he can't shoot or defend, he's a much better creator for self and others, as well as rebounder than Johnson.

That can always be marketed to treadmill teams like the Bulls (and the cons uencies they need to sell it to), who ownership refuses to allow to re-build.

[exstatic]

CHI sucks so bad though. I cannot believe they didnt get a pick from OKC - that’s just ridiculous

If Giddey was worth Caruso, Keldon definitely worth pick 5

I think neither team wanted to pay their player, and while Caruso is objectively better, he’s also objectively 30 and on an ending contract.

[mystargtr34]

Why do people think this move for the Bulls is for tanking purposes? They could have easily traded Caruso for future picks, instead they got a player of value back who can help them now.

Not saying it was a good move but Giddey is still a net positive player albeit marginally.

[DPG21920]

Why would they get a pick? Caruso has a single year on his contract left.

Because Caruso is better, Giddey was unplayable for OKC when it matters and they had to trade him since they are a le hopeful team and they have a ridiculous amount of picks and Caruso was a very valued played by virtually any good team?

[DPG21920]

I knew this false equivalency was coming from you.

Giddey still has the sheen of a relatively high lottery pick, youth and even though he can't shoot or defend, he's a much better creator for self and others, as well as rebounder than Johnson.

That can always be marketed to treadmill teams like the Bulls (and the cons uencies they need to sell it to), who ownership refuses to allow to re-build.

Nah. It’s just shows you it’s situational. Keldon has shown playmaking stretches, better 3PT shooting stretches etc….you can make any narrative work. Fact is, Giddey value had tanked pretty good Im guessing situationally and Bulls just sh*t the bed some (even if I don’t think getting Giddey is bad; its just not good value given cir stances)

Just takes one team, in the right situation to value someone like Keldon like this IMO (flat draft, wanting to win while staying young, etc…)

[PhantomDashCam]

Jaylon Tyson getting some buzz as someone to watch for in the late lotto. Not sure we're talked about him at all (largely because we don't pick late lotto)

Interesting. I’m pretty sure that was him in the Salaun video TP posted on his Insta. Some speculated it was Devin Carter.

[exstatic]

Because Caruso is better, Giddey was unplayable for OKC when it matters and they had to trade him since they are a le hopeful team and they have a ridiculous amount of picks and Caruso was a very valued played by virtually any good team?

Caruso is better, but he’s also older. This is a one year move, since OKC is headed for cap jail very soon.

[TD 21]

Nah. It’s just shows you it’s situational. Keldon has showing playmaking stretches, better 3PT shooting stretches etc….you can make any narrative work. Fact is, Giddey value had tanked pretty good Im guessing situationally and Bulls just sh*t the bed some (even if I don’t think getting Giddey is bad; its just not good value given cir stances)

Johnson is not a p-n-r initiator, he's not a spacer, he's not a rim runner and he's not a defender. What he is, is a younger veteran, net negative player, without a defined role.

I'm no Giddey fan and don't like the trade for the Bulls, I'm just saying there's a difference here.

[Mr. Body]

Because Caruso is better, Giddey was unplayable for OKC when it matters and they had to trade him since they are a le hopeful team and they have a ridiculous amount of picks and Caruso was a very valued played by virtually any good team?

Giddey was unplayable because they run an SGA-dominant offense where they had to stick Giddey in the corner. It's not like he's an awful basketball player. He just didn't work there.

I'm not sure about the fit with Chicago, but he's 21 years old, fills the stat sheet fairly well, and can organize an offense. Spending a role-player who won't stay with you to get him isn't a bad move.

Feels weird on both sides in some ways. OKC could see Caruso basically done in a few years while Giddey will at least be pretty good in Chicago. Seems short-sighted, although maybe he wins them a couple playoff games.

[DPG21920]

Johnson is not a p-n-r initiator, he's not a spacer, he's not a rim runner and he's not a defender. What he is, is a younger veteran, net negative player, without a defined role.

I'm no Giddey fan and don't like the trade for the Bulls, I'm just saying there's a difference here.

I dont think Keldons value is lower than Giddey after what we just saw and Giddey netted maybe the most coveted role player in the league straight up. One that reports said was getting multiple first round picks offers including top 10.

[DPG21920]

Giddey was unplayable because they run an SGA-dominant offense where they had to stick Giddey in the corner. It's not like he's an awful basketball player. He just didn't work there.

I'm not sure about the fit with Chicago, but he's 21 years old, fills the stat sheet fairly well, and can organize an offense. Spending a role-player who won't stay with you to get him isn't a bad move.

Feels weird on both sides in some ways. OKC could see Caruso basically done in a few years while Giddey will at least be pretty good in Chicago. Seems short-sighted, although maybe he wins them a couple playoff games.

Ya that’s fair - he wasn’t unplayable in the NBA so there is some context and he should do better with CHI so it’s not that. I just feel it was awful value for CHI even if I understand getting Giddey for Caruso from just a player perspective makes sense.