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    Im hoping SA can use Graham in a trade to be honest and make use of that contract vs having to eat that 2M (even though its not a big deal at all)
    Agree totally. Last year we had so much dead money that 2 mill dead $$ is nothing in comparison.

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    Agree totally. Last year we had so much dead money that 2 mill dead $$ is nothing in comparison.
    lets see what wright can cook up...Cause apparently that was one of the benefits of his contract when we got him.

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    Im hoping SA can use Graham in a trade to be honest and make use of that contract vs having to eat that 2M (even though its not a big deal at all)
    Yep, with the new CBA, this kind of partially guaranteed contract is way less useful than in the past but it's still better than a traditional contract. Spurs could use Graham's contract like Phoenix used CP3's contract last summer.

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    A quick look at Spurs salary cap situation for this summer with $141M as salary cap (latest number given by the NBA).

    Spurs will likely waive Graham, they will have $103.1M in guaranteed salary for 9 players (Vassell, Johnson, Collins, Wembanyama, Jones, Sochan, Branham, Wesley and Cissoko).
    There are cap hold for #4 and #8: $15.4M
    After that it will depend on what they do with their free agents and players with non-guaranteed contracts. There might have some incomplete roster charge to add.

    If Spurs keep Champagnie, waive Bassey and renounce to their FAs (Osman, Mamu and Barlow), they will have $19.5M in cap space.
    another side note is that our 2 biggest contracts, vassell/keldon, will be lighter from here on out. compounded with the expected cap increases under new media deal... should be good

    Keldon:

    2024 - 19
    2025 - 17.5
    2026 - 17.5

    Vassell:

    2024 - 29.3
    2025 - 27
    2026 - 27
    2027 - 24.6
    2028 - 27

    OTOH zollins is owed 16.7 this year and 18 next

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    why do people want players over 30 who'd just take playing time away from the young guys? I get getting a vet or 2 for the bench, but Harris or Paul? We should try to get players for the long term future.

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    why do people want players over 30 who'd just take playing time away from the young guys? I get getting a vet or 2 for the bench, but Harris or Paul? We should try to get players for the long term future.
    Because if we want to Wemby and actually useful guys to develop, we need them to have some competent teammates that are actually positive contributors.
    Not Zach Collins level veterans, but actually useful veterans.

    I don't want CP3 because he's done.
    I don't think I want Harris, either. He's been embarrassingly bad with the Sixers. Even for a role player.

    I'd take Harrison Barnes. Kings will get rid of him, can be had for some SRPs.
    $18M and $19M over the next two years. Age 32 and 33 seasons. NBA champion, can play SF/PF, positive shooter and defender.
    Everyone says he's a high character guy.
    That's the kind of vet we need.
    And he's better than any FA target we can get. And those FA targets would want longer deals.

    Would be the third best player on the roster.

    If we could by some chance scam the Kings and do a Collins-Barnes swap, it would be the best deal of the summer.

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    Because if we want to Wemby and actually useful guys to develop, we need them to have some competent teammates that are actually positive contributors.
    Not Zach Collins level veterans, but actually useful veterans.

    I don't want CP3 because he's done.
    I don't think I want Harris, either. He's been embarrassingly bad with the Sixers. Even for a role player.

    I'd take Harrison Barnes. Kings will get rid of him, can be had for some SRPs.
    $18M and $19M over the next two years. Age 32 and 33 seasons. NBA champion, can play SF/PF, positive shooter and defender.
    Everyone says he's a high character guy.
    That's the kind of vet we need.
    And he's better than any FA target we can get. And those FA targets would want longer deals.

    Would be the third best player on the roster.

    If we could by some chance scam the Kings and do a Collins-Barnes swap, it would be the best deal of the summer.
    You know, I was down for getting CP3 despite his age, but Barnes is a much better choice. Hopefully he can be had as cheaply as you say...

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    Because if we want to Wemby and actually useful guys to develop, we need them to have some competent teammates that are actually positive contributors.
    Not Zach Collins level veterans, but actually useful veterans.

    I don't want CP3 because he's done.
    I don't think I want Harris, either. He's been embarrassingly bad with the Sixers. Even for a role player.

    I'd take Harrison Barnes. Kings will get rid of him, can be had for some SRPs.
    $18M and $19M over the next two years. Age 32 and 33 seasons. NBA champion, can play SF/PF, positive shooter and defender.
    Everyone says he's a high character guy.
    That's the kind of vet we need.
    And he's better than any FA target we can get. And those FA targets would want longer deals.

    Would be the third best player on the roster.

    If we could by some chance scam the Kings and do a Collins-Barnes swap, it would be the best deal of the summer.
    Barnes started to fall off a cliff last season. He's still useful and depending on how the draft shakes out, I wouldn't mind him, but the Kings aren't just going to give him away.

    They don't need to free up space for Monk, so instead they're trying to turn Barnes, Huerter and draft capital into an upgraded big wing/forward (Grant, Kuzma, etc.).

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    You know, I was down for getting CP3 despite his age, but Barnes is a much better choice. Hopefully he can be had as cheaply as you say...
    I wasn't even thinking about him, but the last few times I checked RealGM trade forum, there was a Barnes topic.
    With Monk extension, they're over the cap and Barnes looks to be the odd man out considering his role keeps decreasing.
    Went from 36 to 29mpg over the past three years.

    One idea was #35 pick for us to absorb Barnes' salary.
    Since Kings need a backup big, someone even suggested a Collins-Barnes swap.

    I think the idea of Spurs absorbing Barnes' contract is realistic and really fits since we need to get a wing with reliable shot, either way.
    Some years ago, there were reports of Pop really liking Barnes because of their team USA time together.

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    Chris paul can come in and immediatley be our best playmaker.But hes pretty old and not his best anymore.
    But it also sucked seeing wemby get himself open and nobody being able to get the ball to him cause this
    team has no basketball iq.
    I have the same feeling I have about Tobias Harris. We’re not going to compete for anything other than a play in. To do that, we need floor raising veterans on short contracts. Like Harris, I don’t care about Paul’s playoff shortcomings. That’s not likely to be an issue.

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    Barnes would be aight, but the Spurs need to sign vets on short term deals who we can shop to contenders at the deadline and have enough cap room in 2025 to sign players.

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    They don't need to free up space for Monk, so instead they're trying to turn Barnes, Huerter and draft capital into an upgraded big wing/forward (Grant, Kuzma, etc.).
    Keldon has entered the chat, eheh.

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    I like the idea of signing Chris Paul. He's just about done as a player but he has always been a quintessential professional. The Spurs are in desperate need of veteran players to teach the young ones how to be true pros.

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    Don't kill the messenger.
    in an ideal world, we trade for CP3 and draft his heir apparent in Sheppard to take the reins next. I would be so happy.

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    in an ideal world, we trade for CP3 and draft his heir apparent in Sheppard to take the reins next. I would be so happy.
    In an ideal world, if you want Chris Paul, you wait until GS releases him, then sign him to an MLE deal. The last thing you want is him tearing up your locker room looking for a follow on to his $30M contract. If you pick him off the scrap heap, that doesn’t become an issue.

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    Why do people obsess over cp3 coming here?

    Blake didn't like playing with him
    Deandre didn't like playing with him
    Ayton didn't like playing with him

    I see a pattern...

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    in an ideal world, we trade for CP3 and draft his heir apparent in Sheppard to take the reins next. I would be so happy.
    Paul is not a mentor. He’s a malcontent and ego driven person. It’s not a good fit.

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    Why do people obsess over cp3 coming here?

    Blake didn't like playing with him
    Deandre didn't like playing with him
    Ayton didn't like playing with him

    I see a pattern...
    People don’t like playing with him because he tells them when they screw up. After a season or two it really grates on one. SGA has said he learned a ton from Paul. That’s why people want him. Short term teacher.

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    why do people want players over 30 who'd just take playing time away from the young guys? I get getting a vet or 2 for the bench, but Harris or Paul? We should try to get players for the long term future.
    Most athletes peak athletically at 27. Wemby is 20.

    The question is when does his window open up? Next year, Wemby will certainly be an all star and possibly be all nba.

    I understand team building takes time but the next strategic goal should be learning to win enough regular season games to get into the playoffs. Learning to win in the playoffs becomes the next goal.

    The Spurs' roster is garbage and has no chance to make the playoffs next season even with 2 lottery picks. A 30 year old forward or guard might be a short term crutch but if that crutch gets Wemby playoff experience at age 20, it is worth it.

    It is premature in terms of fit. How the draft goes down will dictate what vets to target but unless there is a conflict with Wemby I don't understand shying away completely from any vets.

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    I would sign Tillman in FA

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    Interesting that Mitc hasn’t signed yet….wonder if it’s all good or a signal that there’s real indecision

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    Interesting that Mitc hasn’t signed yet….wonder if it’s all good or a signal that there’s real indecision
    maybe hes waiting to see what happens with garland

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    maybe hes waiting to see what happens with garland
    Or the coaching hire…either way it’s a huge domino to watch

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    Paul is not a mentor. He’s a malcontent and ego driven person. It’s not a good fit.
    “Chris Paul’s been a mentor for me for a long time, since high school. I’ve had a connection with him since then and always admired his game and he’s clearly a Hall of Famer," Brunson said.

    “He’s a great mentor when it came to understanding how a guy on his level prepared over the summer for an NBA season,” Curry said (via the East Bay Times).

    “How disciplined he was, his work ethic, I got to see that first-hand after summer league through the beginning of the season.” Curry credits Paul for teaching him how to prepare heading into his rookie year and helping his career start on a positive note.

    “He helps me every day, whether it be manipulating a pick and roll in the game, or showing me things outside of the game that help you in life,” Gilgeous-Alexander said

    "That's my guy, my mentor, my coach when I was in high school," Okogie said after a 11-point, 5-rebound, 4-assist, 3-steal, 3-turnover performance in a 78-69 victory that made the Wolves 2-1 in Vegas play. "Me and him have a relationship. It's kind of fun to have your coach-slash-future opponent here. It's cool, still showing love. That relationship probably is going to last a lifetime."

    "He's meant a lot to me," Coby said of Paul. "When I started playing for CP3 when I was 16, he came to a game, and he pulled me aside, and we started talking. He knew about my life, who I was, and how I played. He said I played with a chip on my shoulder, and I had something to prove every time I played."

    "So after that, he gave me his number, his contact and it just went from there. It's little things like that. It's Chris Paul. He doesn't have to take the time out to text me from time to time or call me and ask me how I'm doing. And I'm still in high school, I'm a high school kid, so that's a big part. And he played a big part whenever my father died."

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