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That proves it!
If they take Salaun 8, it's solely to give Wemby his Jack Haley. There's no way a serious team takes this guy that high.
That proves it!
Yeah I don’t want to be hyperbolic but Salaun at 8 almost seems like such a bad pick that it’d make you seriously question the whole FO. Best case it means they’re absolutely desperate to appease Wemby, worse case it’s just total incompetence.
Just truly think this guy has no business going top 10.
He's like the try-hard the coach keeps on a high school team to motivate the actual players. "See? Look at Tidjane. See how he gets here on time and hustles in all the drills? That's what I want from you guys!"
they will surprise everyone by drafting that scrub vietnamese michael tran
Given that the things that timvp writes gets reported pretty widely these days (which is awesome, and I'm happy for timvp), I wouldn't believe anything that a source tells timvp at this point. Could easily see the Spurs using timvp (and others) to help with misinformation. hashtag CIAPOP
This draft is a show. So much movement. Going to be a fun watch.
A smoke screen doesn't have to come from the team directly and wouldn't. Parker straight-up announced talks of trading him in 2011 were a smokescreen, and the Spurs never once (to my memory) came out and suggested they were trying to trade him. The point of a smokescreen is to get people to believe you're going to do something, not for you to announce it. That has never been part of the requirement. Whatever "tell" rival FOs have come to associate with the Spurs' real interest, that's what the Spurs have to use to mislead them. Whether that is working a guy out and leaking how much they loved him, whether it's working them out and then being con uously silent about the results or whether it's not working them out even though it would obviously make sense to do so, I don't know. But if the team has the capacity to play mind-games with their draft interest, this is possibly the most important draft since 2011 to do so.
Not surprising to see that Risacher is graded as a second round pick by analytics. The primary measure that's concerning for him is his extremely low AST:TO, which generally indicates poor awareness. The primary argument against this is that a professional league is different from NCAA basketball, and that his role is different than many NCAA freshmen. That being said, I don't think you can completely discount the below list either.
I basically filtered all prior first round draft picks in the last 16 years for the following:
AST:TO < 0.8
3 PT% > 34% on >80 shots taken
Freshmen class
Height > 6'5"
Also used DREB% < 20 to filter out bigs
If I decrease the 3 point filter to 33% or above, you add Jaden McDaniels, Cam Reddish, and Chris Singleton
Basically, I'm looking at wings who could shoot with poor awareness. To say that this list is concerning would be an understatement. If the spurs take him at 4, I am hoping that either international compe ion stats don't translate at all, or he is the outlier of this group. The interesting thing is that even though many of these guys had good shooting seasons in college, none of that really translated in the NBA.
Also, LOL Josh Primo
EDIT: including sop res with similar numbers, I get Terrance Ross and Klay Thompson
AST:TO STL% 3 pt Zaccharie Risacher 0.56 2.0 0.387 Xavier Henry 0.79 3.1 0.418 Stanley Johnson 0.77 3.2 0.371 Shabazz Muhammad 0.50 1.3 0.377 Rashad Vaughn 0.73 1.3 0.383 Kevin Knox 0.61 1.5 0.341 Kelly Oubre 0.67 3.3 0.358 Joshua Primo 0.57 1.3 0.381 James Anderson 0.55 1.6 0.396 Harrison Barnes 0.74 1.4 0.387 Donte Greene 0.77 1.4 0.344 Dariq Whitehead 0.71 2.0 0.345 Brice Sensabaugh 0.60 2.2 0.429 Andrew Wiggins 0.65 1.3 0.405
Last edited by SpursBills; 06-22-2024 at 10:28 PM.
I think you just answered yourself, he's playing in a professional league where no one cares about him racking up assists, he plays a very defined role that suits the team and that's it. Most guys in your list would have racked up DNP/CD in Risacher's situation. It's legitimate to say it's an area for improvement, but I think reading too much into it could be a mistake given his age and situation.
PS: why isn't Cam Whitmore, for instance, in that list? Also, by using that 3P% lower bound you're penalizing Risacher for being a good shooter by, for instance, leaving out Jaylen Brown and Tari Eason out of the list, among many others.
I think it's preposterous to blame Risacher's terrible feel for the game on his role. A better explanation is that his role is so reduced because he cannot be trusted to do anything beyond standing in the corners. This is evidenced by how terrible he is when he tries to do basic actions like attack closeouts, move the ball, or dribble around more than one defender. He's really bad at this, and no doubt his coaches recognized this. We can't pretend Euro leagues are prehistoric in their roles. I'm sure they'd love to have him do more; he just can't.
My problem is not simply that he's bad at anything beyond shooting on offense, it's that his shooting isn't really certain. He's been good in a pretty good, but limited amount of time. He gets pretty bad as a movement shooter and he's moderate as a volume shooter. Historically he hasn't been great, so that if he reverts to a .350 shooter (or, egads, worse) in the NBA, he's not a good player at all, because he doesn't do anything else. More concerning is that he's never been a good free throw shooter. Also, by the eye test, his shot doesn't look great in terms of touch. They can go in, or... clang. That's not a good sign to me.
I've asked before how much better is he than Julian Champagnie. Often this is met with incredulity -- of course he's better than Champagnie. But... is he? By that much? Look at Champ's stats coming out of St Johns. Admittedly he was older, but he was putting up more comprehensive stats. Not to mention a positive A/TO ratio, wasn't turning the ball over or fouling out the ass. Eye test, too, Champ can actually do things with the ball in his hands.
I submit that Zaccharie is going to have a really hard time in the NBA.
https://tankathon.com/players/compar...ian-champagnie
I remember when people said this about the lottery and the spurs getting Victor Wembenyama.
These are two vastly different points. One is about being pessimistic about the Spurs’ chances of getting the #1 pick, and the other one is whether the Spurs value Risacher as #1 on their board as most here perceive without actual proof.
If there’s a smokescreen I’d think Buzelis. Haven’t heard about that kid and he wouldn’t be a bad fit and he’d be a tad bit more interesting than Risacher.
I hope we take Topic or Buzelis with the 8th pick just for the board meltdown tbh. We might get another "gutless worms" classic out of it
The fact that some players aren't mentioned at all is provocative.
really just have to pray Portland takes Salaun tbh
hopefully the guests can continue doing guest things
Not ting on timvp but it seems like no one knows about anything. Should be a fun draft at least.
i went from being concerned that dillingham wont be on the board at 4 to being bummed that he may not even be on the spurs board
shame
The same 4 guys that ESPN said are the more likely at 4 are the same sauces refuse to comment about. And their gassing up guys who are in the 8+ range.
My prophecy is we'll draft Buzelis and Topic and someday Dillingham will drop a 40-piece on our heads.
Spurs are targeting Risacher. Period.
Drafting Salaun at 8 would be such a kick in the nuts tbh. Kid is such a project and his defense and bball IQ are depressing. I'd almost rather just trade 4 + 8 for the top pick and select our guy if that's the case tbh.
Not sure the Guests are even dumb enough to do that tbh. Clingan, Castle, or Buzelis would all be better picks than the G-League experiment that is Salaun. One of those guys should be available at 7.
not only is he such a project but im struggling to see why he has particularly great upside... its not like Giannis who was showing some guard-tier ballhandling ability while not really knowing what he was doing. its not like he's an impactful defender. he's not really an outlier athlete.
its like... boom or bust, but when the boom isnt even special.
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