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No matter what, this is going to be a really entertaining draft. Every one of these guys has big weaknesses, so there will be no end to the whining
Clingan makes more sense to WAS than Sarr. HOU picks Reed, which drops Sarr to the Spurs. If that happens, I’m taking the more defensive guard with shooting range Carter at 8th.
If WAS takes Sarr, again HOU takes Reed. SAS takes Castle for that big defensive guard. I’d take the upside of Salaun at 8th. I think his shooting would improve. Already he’s a big athletic body. If he grows to 6’11” would be a plus.
WAS will go for the hype. They’ll pick Sarr. SAS will get Castle, what they’re hoping for in Primo, a big defensive PG. and Salaun hopefully what Samanic should have been, that athletic mobile PF.
Last edited by John B; 06-23-2024 at 08:02 AM.
No matter what, this is going to be a really entertaining draft. Every one of these guys has big weaknesses, so there will be no end to the whining
Why wouldn’t Houston take Risacher? Don’t they need a SF? My hope is that it goes Clingan, Sarr, Risacher, then Sheppard.
If we take Risacher over Sheppard I’m gonna lose it. Nothing about him seems that good when you look into him. He is like a MPJ lite player but without the dog and confidence of MPJ. Why would we want that on our team? I think we should get Sheppard and Knecht. The in next years draft get our wing player.
They’ve scouted him multiple times, like multiple.
Buford doesn’t go to see guys unless they like them…
Timvp like any blogger, Twitter guys or whoever isn't getting "information" from PATFO or guys in the know in spurs organsiation.
He's chatting with other bloggers, scouts eventually or fringe NBA teams people (eventually from the spurs) who are chatting with other bloggers, scouts or fringe NBA guys who are chatting with bloggers, scouts, or fringe NBA guys... then reading stuff right and left, including here, all that mass of non professional people filling up their blogs or social media with that "information" or "intel"...
And that's the same with (most) media.
Absolutely nobody knows, close or far, what the spurs want to do and will do in this draft... Only 3 pêople maybe know it on this planet and that's RC, Pop and Wright (and maybe Holt at the end). All the rest is just speculation, assumptions, hashing, rehashing, and filling up blanks.
Don't get my wrong, it has its virtue, and that's the game, trying to imagine and playing the little GMs or NBA people but that's just that, a game. Nobody knows. Only in the last couple days or few hours before the draft you start hearing legit stuff from guys like Woj. or a few others really connected guys (OLR leaning towards Banchero rather than Chet for example).
Last edited by JPB; 06-23-2024 at 04:25 AM.
Did you miss my point about other prospects likely being scouted by Buford “multiple times” going unreported? Also I’ve only seen one report of Buford being out there, so no need to stretch things.
Just because that’s the only information we have, doesn’t mean that those are the only facts.
Your post is kind of contradicting itself.
You want Houston to take Risacher over Sheppard, but then you say Sheppard is a way better prospect.
Rockets have Jabari, Amen, Eason and Whitmore. Four young wings in the rotation. Brooks might not be a long-term piece, but he's still there and has a contract up until 2027.
I see no reason for Rockets to draft a wing unless there's one with superstar potential. They don't need any more 3-D wings.
This also applies to Castle, I don't think they're taking him with Amen on the roster. Pointless to have two non-shooters with such similar skillset on the roster.
They're either taking Sheppard or trading their pick. I actually think trade is a more likely scenario.
A lot of teams would want Clingan and trading down wouldn't be the worst thing for the Rockets if they can get a good player in return.
As for Spurs pick. I honestly don't know what to think anymore. Just get it over with.
It's obviously going to be Risacher/Sheppard/Castle with #4 and then it's a toss up for #8.
We need a shooter like Sheppard, but he's an undersized shooting guard with questionable handle and would need to make some big improvements to develop into an actual point guard.
Sheppard+Castle would be a perfect fit, but we won't get both without moving up.
If it's between Sheppard at #4 or Dillingham at #8, I'd rather have Dillingham because he's easily the best offensive player in this draft.
Defense is a huge red flag, but I'd rather risk it with his defense than draft fundamentally flawed players at #4.
I'm somewhat over Risacher as of now, so my preference would be Castle and one of Sheppard/Dillingham, depending on if Spurs are willing to trade up.
And what if Risacher is a 6'9" KCP?
These are very valid points, thanks for making me go back and looking more closely - Cam Whitmore should have been included, but he got filtered out by mistake due to my rebounding filter to try and weed out bigs. Tari Eason didn't shoot enough 3s to meet this criteria, while Jaylen Brown shot too poorly. Interestingly enough, if you look at poor shooting freshmen with these filters, you also get Franz Wagner 1 year before his draft year.
Regarding international compe ion vs college, this is where I have a harder time trying to use a stats-based analysis to project players. If he played NCAA with these numbers I would have a very very hard time taking him anywhere in the lottery, but there's just so much more variation and less data for the various international leagues. His closest prior doppelgänger is probably Batum who had AST:TO of 1.5 at the same age, which at least gives us some clue to the style of player he will most likely be at the next level.
Lots of interesting tidbits here, but the Walter one is probably the most fascinating. At #8, I wouldn't hate it, but the "top 5" comment from Harris and now this has me a little worried.
I think they see Amen as their future PG tbh. And he can’t shoot so pairing a wing with him that can is helpful. I don’t really care about Eason. But I did forget about Whitmore. He had a nice solid rookie season. I think Greem is a part of their future going forward so I don’t know if they will draft Sheppard. He wouldn’t start for them over Green and FVV. And I think it would be Amen and Green backcourt going forward. But a Sengun, Smith, Amen, Green, Reed starting line up of the future sounds pretty nice as well tbh. So idk. I just thought that Ime wants defense and Risacher is the best 3&D prospect. Houston should make a trade tbh.
No way they take Walter at 4 tbh. Doubt they do at 8 either, though I'd rather them take him at 8 over Salaun. Walter's shooting is legit and he has good size at 6'5.5 with shoes. Only issue is he plays the same position as Devin so he'd be a bench piece.
Nothing about the disappointing season Walter had says top 5; wouldn't trust Harris at all here.
I heard someone might get drafted by the Spurs and someone might not.
Maybe two someones....or maybe not.
I don't trust Harris necessarily, but LJ talking about the workout buzz is a little corroboration. All said, I don't think they'll overrate a good shooting performance in individual workouts over the tape at Baylor.
I think they are in love with Carter. Starting to feel like he will be the lock at 8 even if they take Castle at 4.
I have some reservations about Risacher (just like I do all prospects in this draft tbh) but here’s a few things that make me feel good if he’s the guy for Spurs at 4:
1) so many ATL and WAS fans dismiss him that it makes me feel better about him lol
2) spurs know EVERYTHING about him. He plays for Tony Parker’s freaking team and they have scouted him extensively. If they draft him it’s because they truly believe in him and it’s probably the most informed decision any team can make this draft due to how much info Sa has on him.
3) He just fits. Great size, known quality defensive floor and a solid shooter that has a great base vs needing huge improvement to be “good”
I have reservations and questions about his lack of playmaking, varied shooting and pretty meh athleticism but the 3 things above are why I have confidence IF SA were to draft him (especially point 2)
Definitely think he's in play 8, but I'm not sure they double up with Castle and Carter. They seem to be evaluating and rating multiple wing/forwards highly as well. I know they're in BPA talent ac ulation mode, so it's possible. I definitely want one of the two, assuming Sheppard is off the board.
After Primo I don't trust 2) at all. And even less because of the baked in bias of playing for Parker's team.
I firmly believe that prospects the Spurs are tight-lipped about are the prospects they genuinely love. So Sheppard, Castle, Risacher, Knecht, and… Matas Buzelis.
Last edited by Uriel; 06-23-2024 at 03:16 PM.
While it’s true that no one knows with 100% certainty how the Spurs will act on draft night, that doesn’t mean we’re totally clueless and don’t know anything. It’s reasonable to make educated guesses on how they will act based on team needs, logic, and the construction of the roster. For example, it’s reasonable to infer that the Spurs will likely pick a guard in this draft. You don’t have to be Wright, RC, or Pop to infer that.
i think the main route for Sheppard to fall to 4 is if the rockets trade out of the pick to a team moving up for Clingan
So you'd need the Hawks to take Risacher, Wizards to take Sarr (or vice versa, though this seems more likely), and then a team like Memphis or someone else moving up to take Clingan at 3
with Clingan/Sarr going top 2... I think the Rockets would choose Sheppard over Risacher
Well one of Sheppard or Castle will be available at #4. If not that means either Risacher or Sarr will be there. More then likely Risacher if it's the second scenario. The curve ball here would be the Spurs taking Clingan if he is available. Which I don't have a problem with but I know others do.
well he is at least 6'10" and currently injured so this may work lol
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