2024 NBA Draft Thread

[scott]

I'm aware of how lottery works. Did Washington move from 2...no. If spurs finished 2 instead that's where they'd be picking...whats hard to understand

You need to watch Back 2 The Future. I think that may help you understand your logical fallacy here.

[Teamduncan21]

I'm aware of how lottery works. Did Washington move from 2...no. If spurs finished 2 instead that's where they'd be picking...whats hard to understand

Because we do not know Washington would get second pick back then. We could have tanked much harder like Detroit and end up at 5.

Hindsight is 20-20. So now we know that Washington kept their pick. If we would have tanked too hard we would end up like Detroit. Or slightly less hard. End up like Charlotte.

At that point. We didn't know.

So for example. I could say we could have played harder to be rank 10th or whatever hawks pick was. So that we get first pick. Or whatever rockets were to get third pick.

But how do we know?

[rascal]

So Wemby's 40/20 game vs the Knicks was pointless? Wemby's dad block on Chet game where he destroyed Holmgren down the stretch? His 17 points in 3 minutes vs Denver was pointless? It's kind of ridiculous to condition on results of a lottery after the fact when being in fifth place vs second for the worst record doesn't change the odds a whole lot with how flattened the lottery has become.

Yeah, many of those late season wins were pontless and does nothing for the future of the spurs. Had they lost all those games it would do nothing going into this season. Sochan and Vassell weren't even playing in many of those late season wins.

They were against tanking teams or the lucky last second one point home win against denver or injured teams like the Knicks. It got the fans excited but that's about it.

It's a new year with player changes and a clean slate of games. Had they won or lost it doesn't make any difference for this year, there is no carry over from last year.

Would you make the same claim the year before that it doesn't make any difference had the Spurs won late season games and ended up in fifth instead of third with Wemby on the line?
Of course it made a difference to end up in the bottom three which gave the spurs more lottery combinations and a better chance for Wemby.

[Mr. Body]

“I think we’re going to get a good player at five. We like five a lot. We’re looking for the guy we feel has the best upside out of this draft and if that guy’s not there at five and there’s a team that’s willing to give us an asset value to flip back, then maybe that’s an opportunity, as well."

That's Trajan Langdon, Detroit GM. IMM, dialog with Detroit and Charlotte is key here. Being aggressive with that 8 pick may be a really good play, as we have tons of SRPs and that CHA first may be in play. Depending on the Buzelis/Tellum connection, Detroit's best play is probably squeezing out some value. Charlotte's probably is, too, unless they're in love with somebody.

If the team really likes Risacher (or Sheppard), you can still be aggro and grab your second choice.

[LeBowen]

Sochan and Vassell weren't even playing in many of those late season wins.

This is actually really important.
It showed that other than Wemby, noone on this roster is worth .
Devin needs to become more consistent and take resposnibility rather than deferring to scrubs like Sochan and the rest of them need to spend the entire summer in the gym if they're to stay in the league.

They were against tanking teams or the lucky last second one point home win against denver or injured teams like the Knicks. It got the fans excited but that's about it.

Also won against Pelicans and Suns.
Had close games against Warriors and Sixers, another close game at Denver.

It's a new year with player changes and a clean slate of games. Had they won or lost it doesn't make any difference for this year, there is no carry over from last year.

For me there definitely is some carry over.
I was really disappointed how Devin kind of just disappeared in a lot of games considering he should've been the only reliable perimeter scorer on the team.
Another carry over is how horrible Jeremy and Keldon were.
Tre definitely improved his stock, especially with his better 3pt shooting.
Wesley played himself out of the league, tbh.

Would you make the same claim the year before that it doesn't make any difference had the Spurs won late season games and ended up in fifth instead of third with Wemby on the line?
Of course it made a difference to end up in the bottom three which gave the spurs more lottery combinations and a better chance for Wemby.

It was still 14% luck. Top three odds are worth getting into, but after that there's not much difference and teams always move up or down.

[exstatic]

Even if we tanked down to 2, chaos theory says that that combination wouldn’t necessarily pop out like it did this time.

[SpursFan86]

https://bbs.clutchfans.net/threads/ch44-bomb.323535/

ClutchFans thread of them melting down because one of their apparent insiders posted that it’s very likely they trade down. Based on their reaction seems like the dude is usually pretty reliable but who knows.

Risacher/Sarr/Clingan going in the top 3 would be incredible…give us Sheppard at 4.

[rascal]

[QUOTE Risacher/Sarr/Clingan going in the top 3 would be incredible…give us Sheppard at 4.[/QUOTE]

Don't count on it.

Spurs will go Castle in that scenario.

[SpursFan86]

I like Castle but I will get some serious blue balls if Sheppard falls to 4 and then we go up there and pick Castle

[LeBowen]

[QUOTE Risacher/Sarr/Clingan going in the top 3 would be incredible…give us Sheppard at 4.

Don't count on it.

Spurs will go Castle in that scenario.[/QUOTE]

I'm taking Castle over Sheppard and waiting to see if he drops to #8.
Pistons probably pick Sheppard, but Hornets and Blazers definitely wouldn't. They need wings.

If it's Risacher, Sarr, Clingan, Castle top4, that leaves us with at least one of Sheppard, Carter, Buzelis, Williams available at #8.
I'd take that.

[buttsR4rebounding]

I'm aware of how lottery works. Did Washington move from 2...no. If spurs finished 2 instead that's where they'd be picking...whats hard to understand

You are a moron. Spurs were in the 3 spot most of the season which would have us drafting 6 and 8th. Just stop embarrassing yourself.

[scottspurs]

We should have tanked harder is loser talk.

[rascal]

We should have tanked harder is loser talk.

Not always.

It was great the spurs tanked in 2023 and stayed in the bottom three. Imagine not having Wemby to build around now.

[baseline bum]

Would you make the same claim the year before that it doesn't make any difference had the Spurs won late season games and ended up in fifth instead of third with Wemby on the line?

Of course not, that was a draft worth tanking for and chasing a bottom three seed made sense. This one is not, especially now with a superstar who alone was enough to win games when the team tried to tank by sitting Vassell and Johnson.

[Mr. Body]

https://bbs.clutchfans.net/threads/ch44-bomb.323535/

ClutchFans thread of them melting down because one of their apparent insiders posted that it’s very likely they trade down. Based on their reaction seems like the dude is usually pretty reliable but who knows.

Risacher/Sarr/Clingan going in the top 3 would be incredible…give us Sheppard at 4.

No one is trading up for Risacher. No one. I think everyone's sniffed out that he's just okay. Maybe there's a chance Detroit jumps up to grab him, I suppose... actually that's somewhat possible. My guess is teams will value Sheppard or Castle more.

[LeBowen]

Not always.

It was great the spurs tanked in 2023 and stayed in the bottom three. Imagine not having Wemby to build around now.

It was a good decision.
But this should be the last tanking season.
I'm not saying Spurs have to make the playoffs next year, but more blatant tanking would be horrible for everything.
Player mentality, their development, attendance, reputation around the league and as we've seen the draft is way more random with the new lottery odds.
Not to mention that there will be at least five teams blatantly tanking.

We'll have #1, #4, #8, #9, #11 draft picks on the roster, with #12 already being out of the league. Five years of intentional lottery is enough.
If PATFO can't make it work with those picks and all the future picks in the stash, then maybe it's time for some other people to give it a shot.

[SpursFan86]

No one is trading up for Risacher. No one. I think everyone's sniffed out that he's just okay. Maybe there's a chance Detroit jumps up to grab him, I suppose... actually that's somewhat possible. My guess is teams will value Sheppard or Castle more.

Who said anything about someone trading up for Risacher?

The most likely scenario is ATL picking Risacher at 1, Sarr going 2, and then Memphis or another team trading up to 3 to grab Clingan. Risacher has taken the lead as the favorite to go #1. Sarr to Washington at 2 is maybe the closest thing we have to a lock in the lottery this year. 3 is the big wildcard…if Houston stays there it’s hard to see them not grabbing Sheppard. But if someone trades up, then I think it opens things up.

[BatManu20]

[Mr. Body]

Who said anything about someone trading up for Risacher?

The most likely scenario is ATL picking Risacher at 1, Sarr going 2, and then Memphis or another team trading up to 3 to grab Clingan. Risacher has taken the lead as the favorite to go #1. Sarr to Washington at 2 is maybe the closest thing we have to a lock in the lottery this year. 3 is the big wildcard…if Houston stays there it’s hard to see them not grabbing Sheppard. But if someone trades up, then I think it opens things up.

I see most likely as Clingan-Sarr-Question mark. Atlanta has been begging for a reason not to take Risacher.

[SpursFan86]

I see most likely as Clingan-Sarr-Question mark. Atlanta has been begging for a reason not to take Risacher.

Vegas odds have Risacher going #1 at -150 at this point. The Ringer, CBS, ESPN, and SI all have Risacher going #1. I think you’re just projecting your own thoughts on Risacher and thus dismissing all of this as a smokescreen or something

It’s entirely possible ATL doesn’t get ZR. Like I said the only “lock” right now IMO is Sarr at #2. But as of now Risacher going #1 is by no means a long shot, and the majority of people around the league seem to think it’s the most likely scenario.

[Teamduncan21]

https://bbs.clutchfans.net/threads/ch44-bomb.323535/

ClutchFans thread of them melting down because one of their apparent insiders posted that it’s very likely they trade down. Based on their reaction seems like the dude is usually pretty reliable but who knows.

Risacher/Sarr/Clingan going in the top 3 would be incredible…give us Sheppard at 4.

They really hate spurs

[Mr. Body]

Vegas odds have Risacher going #1 at -150 at this point. The Ringer, CBS, ESPN, and SI all have Risacher going #1. I think you’re just projecting your own thoughts on Risacher and thus dismissing all of this as a smokescreen or something

It’s entirely possible ATL doesn’t get ZR. Like I said the only “lock” right now IMO is Sarr at #2. But as of now Risacher going #1 is by no means a long shot, and the majority of people around the league seem to think it’s the most likely scenario.

I don't care what odds are. They're designed to draw suckers.

Maybe Risacher goes 1, we don't know. A lot of what Atlanta's been doing has been trying to dangle to pick in order to not pick him. If they were happy with him, they wouldn't be frantically trying to drop it. This is pretty obvious.

[Mr. Body]

I mean, it would be incredible for us if Atlanta took Risacher. They got an amazing pick and have to take some role-player to stick in the corner who won't budge their win percentage. They might even have gotten a better player if they drew 10 or wherever they were before.

[scott]

Yeah, many of those late season wins were pontless and does nothing for the future of the spurs. Had they lost all those games it would do nothing going into this season. Sochan and Vassell weren't even playing in many of those late season wins.

They were against tanking teams or the lucky last second one point home win against denver or injured teams like the Knicks. It got the fans excited but that's about it.

It's a new year with player changes and a clean slate of games. Had they won or lost it doesn't make any difference for this year, there is no carry over from last year.

Would you make the same claim the year before that it doesn't make any difference had the Spurs won late season games and ended up in fifth instead of third with Wemby on the line?
Of course it made a difference to end up in the bottom three which gave the spurs more lottery combinations and a better chance for Wemby.

Imagine thinking that key developmental moments for your core young players is pointless. Typical braindead rascal post.

Yeah, we should have sacrificed the development of our superstar so we could get higher in this draft, where we’d probably end up taking the same guy we’ll take at 4 anyway.

[scott]

If we could move up to #5 from #8… I’d be really intrigued by the idea of taking Buzelis and Risacher or Buzelis and Castle (but viewing Castle as a ball handling wing, not a “PG” in the traditional sense). Right after the lottery draw, I was a proponent of doubling up on wing, and I’ve come back to that concept. Get some high caliber swings at shoring up the 3/4 (which are our biggest weak spots IMO, not PG).

If you are still hungry for a PG prospect, go to PHX or NO who are both reported at wanting to drop out of the first for some seconds, and you might be able to get Topic (meh, but good value), Collier (yuck), or McCain. Or see if you can trade CHI25 for #11 and take Carter there.

Even if you hit big in the lotto next year, there is nothing stopping you from taking BPA there either, even if your wing picks hit. You’ll still have a need for another wing or guard.