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So it has been decided.Castle and carter are the pics.Get rid wesley and branham this offseason,Bring in
some new talent.Make it happen wright
Let me preface this by saying that I'm a pretty big Devin Carter stan, and he's one of my 3 favorite prospects in this draft.
That said, the single biggest question for carter is if you think his shot is going to translate. He's been a terrible shooter with low FT%, low 3P%, low 3 pt volume all the way until this year. This year, his 3pt % and volume went way up while his FT shooting improved although it's still around 75% while his mid-range percentages are still low. He also continues to shoot a moon ball with a very low release. Historically, older guys with middling percentages and a one year improvement have not done that well in the league from a shooting standpoint. Think Davion Mitc , Kris Dunn, Ochai Agbaji. Carter has better outs to shoot than these guys because he took a massive 3 point volume and increased his FT% year after year as well, but there are still significant questions. If his shooting follows only expected development, you may be getting yourself a different version of Josh Hart where he is a better defender but a worse offensive rebounder, which is still easily a valuable rotation player.
I have him very high right now, but I am currently wrestling who I would prefer more between him and McCain if Castle ends up going at 4. McCain is not nearly the defender or as athletic, but his shot has an incredibly high likelihood of translating and I like his decision making a bit more as well. Also, in spite of his short arms, his strength may help him as both a rim finisher and a defender (think Desmond Bane) and I have a borderline irrational belief in his ability to become more of an on-ball player similar to someone like CJ McCollum. Strong, stocky guards have had better than expected success on the defensive end in the past so I do not believe that McCain will be a complete zero on that end as well.
Yesterday, I had Carter over McCain. Today, I think I prefer McCain. Tomorrow, I'll probably prefer Carter again.
So it has been decided.Castle and carter are the pics.Get rid wesley and branham this offseason,Bring in
some new talent.Make it happen wright
I have a problem with the way prospects can be evaluated depending on the quality of the workouts they have or even the combine results.
Some players clealy train for those and I'm not sure it gives a exhaustive picture.
Carter is THREE years older than Castle with a dad former pro and curent coach... What would a 19yo Carter have done? What about a 22yo Castle?
I'm not saying Carter isn't a good choice but 3 more years is a lot compared to other kids
Neither Castle nor Carter are real point guards. Carter was physically dominating guys 2-3 years younger than him. And while he improved his shooting it’s still a low/slow release.
And that is why your taking Carter at 8 and not at 4 - I understand the age thing but from day one Carter has been a Pit Bull on defense it was always his offense that was lacking. But for me on older players I look at there progression and you can easily tell that he worked very hard on his shot mechanics and his percentages on FT% and the 3 ball went up every year by a good percentage
I don’t disagree re Carter btw. Spurs should/could look for their wing needs in FA and next draft.
Honestly, BPA is the only way to go right now for a team that has so many holes to fill. If two players overlap poorly down the line, one can become a valuable trade piece. This is a team hoping to win 35 games next year.
I'm warming up to the idea of Carter at 8. One of few two-way prospects of the entire draft.
Risacher at 4, Carter at 8 would be the dream, the only two prospects with above average impact on both sides of the ball.
I have been on the Carter train for awhile, and I like the concept of a Castle/Carter draft or even a Sheppard/Carter draft... but I am concerned about leaving this draft without trying to address the hole at SF/PF that is even larger than at G, IMO.
Fun times ahead as this could go any direction!
Thats why I am sort of on the “if DET would give us 5 for Keldon + a little something else” train IF Risacher AND Castle or Reed are there come pick 4. If that scenario presents itself, and you can grab Castle + Risacher now at 4/5 and still get Carter at 8 that is a pretty damn great scenario as I think Risacher has better potential than Keldon for the Spurs.
Danny Ferry had that same kind of release and I remember Rick Fox just skull ing him in the 01 WCF because of it. Could not get a clean look off even when open by NBA standards as Fox could get right back to it when Tim kicked it out to Ferry. Ferry's release was faster too.
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Just give up the Keldon and change for #5 pipe dream man, it's never happening.
Maybe if Carter falls to late lottery you could do something with Keldon but not for #5.
Dont tell me how to live my life BBJust give up the Keldon and change for #5 pipe dream man, it's never happening.
Maybe if Carter falls to late lottery you could do something with Keldon but not for #5.!
You're not worried that Carter's low release point and slow release are going to necessitate a complete teardown of his jumper? Castle / Carter seem pretty redundant with similar strengths and weaknesses. If you take Risacher or Buzelis #4 I could see taking Carter 8 but no way if I'm getting Castle 4 and probably not Sheppard at 4 either since not too hyped about having to go out and sign Tobias Harris to give the team a half competent forward.
Sorry it's the Texas wayDont tell me how to live my life BB
With the 2025 being heavy wing draft as of now, and possibly looking to draft our small forward of thr future then.
Say if we don't have a chance to draft Risacher. Then we do draft Castle and Carter and don't make any big moves for a small forward. I wonder if they go with a starting lineup of:
Wemby
Sochan
Vassell
Carter
Castle
Bench:
Collins
Keldon
Branham
Wesley
Jones
Not a very sexy bench again unless Branham or Wesley take a leap, and not a lot of floor spacing from the starters. Great defensive starting lineup though.
Had a Vecenie podcast playing in the background and heard the guest talk about how Brunson's success was going to get people overdrafted and it sounded like Carter would fit the bill.
Completely opposite players. Besides, everyone will be over drafted this year. It’s a crap draft.
The Spurs aren’t giving two rookies major minutes this upcoming season. They will with one, but not two. That’s why I think they will lean with a project at 8, rather than a known thing like Carter.
Makes sense. But could be Buzelis as a project at 4 and then who knows at 8?
Sochan and branham and wesley all drafted the same year all got good amount of playing time their first year.I would expect
two lottery picks to get a good amount of playing time,Especially since half this roster not that good.
Theoretically sounds right but probably depends on the players.
Some guys are going to get the schemes and league much faster than others. I think they'll just take who they think is best and see. But yeah if they take Salaun he's going to be eating breakfast tacos in Austin all season. Maybe the next season too.
Why? I mean, I sort of on the surface understand why, but when I think deeper about the fact that Branham and Blake are both still very young (albeit not rookies) and could be phased out, why couldn’t SA bring in 2-3 rookies if the guys they are replacing are also young and not established legit win now players?
I'd take a guard and a foward too, but I think it'll all depend on what players are available at 4 and 8. Depending on the positions "covered" in the draft, PATFO will adress the other positions on the trade market.
Givoni confirmed they're going for the BPA and not specifics positions.
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