2024 NBA Off-Season Thread (FA, Trades, Extensions, Rumors)

[exstatic]

Interesting that Mitc hasn’t signed yet….wonder if it’s all good or a signal that there’s real indecision

The buzz is that he’s not going to extend until they offload Garland. He’s forcing the issue.

[LeBowen]

The buzz is that he’s not going to extend until they offload Garland. He’s forcing the issue.

While it's somewhat of a s bag move, he's got every right to do so.
He's about to turn 28 and he doesn't want to spend his prime on a treadmill team.

He single-handedly carried them against the Magic. Mobley was good, but everyone else on that Cavs roster was borderline embarrassing.
Allen had a similar ribcage injury to Luka and sat the final three games against Magic and the entire series against Celtics.
Obviously some of Garland's issues were because of bad fit with Mitc , but he underperformed severely.

If Mitc stays, their core will be Mitc , Mobley, Strus.
Garland and Allen are definitely gone and they need to retool with what they get back in those trades. Won't be easy.
Don't forget that Cavs gave up a ton for Mitc and they surely wouldn't get those assets back in a trade. It's in their best interest to keep him or they're going to treadmill for many years with Garland-Mobley duo.

I'm not that high on Garland. If Spurs don't draft a point guard, my best offer would be Tre, Keldon, Chi '25 and #8 in this draft I guess. Or a bunch of SRPs.

[DPG21920]

The buzz is that he’s not going to extend until they offload Garland. He’s forcing the issue.

Hmmm interesting…I had not seen that. Sort of hard to believe since he could sign and tell them that is mandatory anyways and theres no way they would back out. Maybe its a leverage thing for CLE due to one Mitc actually signs teams may think Garland has to go vs Mitc maybe leaving and them spinning it as Garland is off limits unless a great offer comes in?

[Seventyniner]

People don’t like playing with him because he tells them when they screw up. After a season or two it really grates on one. SGA has said he learned a ton from Paul. That’s why people want him. Short term teacher.

Agreed. One year would be ideal.

[TD 21]

Evan Sidery on X: The Pelicans are preparing to lose Marshall (which was obvious) in free agency, with the Pistons, 76ers and Spurs considered strong contenders to sign him.

[onechance87]

Evan Sidery on X: The Pelicans are preparing to lose Marshall (which was obvious) in free agency, with the Pistons, 76ers and Spurs considered strong contenders to sign him.

hopefully for cheap and not over pay

[objective]

Evan Sidery on X: The Pelicans are preparing to lose Marshall (which was obvious) in free agency, with the Pistons, 76ers and Spurs considered strong contenders to sign him.

So just teams that can pay more than the mle?

Lots of big money expectations for a career back up who had 1 solid 3pt shooting season and is a career 31% shooter from 3. If he's worth more than the MLE you might as well up the money and try for Patrick Williams, who's a career 41% from 3, more stocks per 100, scores more and is 3.5 years younger

[TD 21]

So just teams that can pay more than the mle?

Lots of big money expectations for a career back up who had 1 solid 3pt shooting season and is a career 31% shooter from 3. If he's worth more than the MLE you might as well up the money and try for Patrick Williams, who's a career 41% from 3, more stocks per 100, scores more and is 3.5 years younger

Yeah, but I doubt he exceeds that and I would think those teams will want him on a short term deal (2 or 1 + 1), to see if his 3 is for real (one good season, but to be fair it was a relatively small sample size of poor shooting before that). If not, he becomes valuable salary matching fodder in trades.

[objective]

Yeah, but I doubt he exceeds that and I would think those teams will want him on a short term deal (2 or 1 + 1), to see if his 3 is for real (fair to point out the one good season, but it was a relatively small sample size of poor shooting before that). If not, he becomes valuable salary matching fodder in trades.

Someone pointed it out in a thread earlier but in the Dunc'd On Mock Off-season podcast they had the Spurs signing him to 4/64. In the postmortem talk they did concede that was an unlikely number, but it's weird if that was a forecast for an eventually real Marshall signing

I don't even know that he's any better than Champagnie who is locked up for cheap. There's no great size advantage, for while Marshall has the +2.75" in wingspan on Champagnie, he's also an inch shorter barefoot

[scott]

Marshall on 4/64 might irreparably melt this site’s server

[TD 21]

Someone pointed it out in a thread earlier but in the Dunc'd On Mock Off-season podcast they had the Spurs signing him to 4/64. In the postmortem talk they did concede that was an unlikely number, but it's weird if that was a forecast for an eventually real Marshall signing

I don't even know that he's any better than Champagnie who is locked up for cheap. There's no great size advantage, for while Marshall has the +2.75" in wingspan on Champagnie, he's also an inch shorter barefoot

I don't see that, but who knows. With the rising cap from the new national tv deal, players like this are more difficult to project than ever.

He's 3.5 years older than Champagnie, but if his 3 is for real (strictly on spot ups/middling volume), then he's clearly better because he's a much better defender and slightly better rebounder.

I'd expect him to backup Sochan though.

[tbdog]

Dunc On are pretty high on Pelicans role players. With all the injuries, it makes sense why. Marshall fits a lot of teams.

[poopbox]

Marshall on 4/64 might irreparably melt this site’s server

90% of this site has no idea who he even is tbh

[Ariel]

So just teams that can pay more than the mle?

Lots of big money expectations for a career back up who had 1 solid 3pt shooting season and is a career 31% shooter from 3. If he's worth more than the MLE you might as well up the money and try for Patrick Williams, who's a career 41% from 3, more stocks per 100, scores more and is 3.5 years younger

Really, it's not that hard. I'd hope Spurs learned something from the Zach Collins deal.

[RC_Drunkford]

Evan Sidery on X: The Pelicans are preparing to lose Marshall (which was obvious) in free agency, with the Pistons, 76ers and Spurs considered strong contenders to sign him.

I hope not

[TD 21]

Really, it's not that hard. I'd hope Spurs learned something from the Zach Collins deal.

The Spurs haven't changed their ways in the PATFO era. They're the most predictable (conservative/rigid) franchise in the league, which is why I always laugh at this "CIA Pop", "nothing leaks", etc. nonsense the brainwashed masses love to regurgitate.

If you've been a fan for a relatively extended period and have followed the league closely enough, you can literally narrow down what they would and wouldn't do.

[ace3g]

[BatManu20]

[NASpurs]

He's not gone yet but then maybe this should be taken into account that they'll probably select a big man instead of someone like Risacher.

[BatManu20]

He's not gone yet but then maybe this should be taken into account that they'll probably select a big man instead of someone like Risacher.

Yup. I still have the Hawks taking Sarr #1 overall, as I posted in the Draft topic thread a couple hours ago, despite the fact that he hasn't worked out with them. He has the highest upside in the draft, especially defensively, and I personally think ATL would be crazy to take a 3-and-D wing over him. Cappela was never the long-term answer in Atlanta and he only has 1 year left on his deal so he's obvious trade-bait. Great opportunity for Sarr to come in and start right away at the 5, where he would no doubt benefit from playing with Trae. I think he'd have a much better Rookie year with ATL catching lobs from Trae than he would WAS trying to clean up Jordan Poole's misses. Just makes more sense. Would be surprised if Sarr isn't the #1 pick tbh.

[DPG21920]

Marshall on 4/64 might irreparably melt this site’s server

wayyyy too much no?

[R. DeMurre]

In a couple of years 4/64 will essentially be the MLE.

[Ariel]

In a couple of years 4/64 will essentially be the MLE.

Yeah, but are we assured he's an MLE guy in a couple of years? Malik Monk went for 4 years 78M... they're different players, but I wouldn't say they're in the same tier in terms of what they have proven so far. Too many questions marks to make that leap IMO.

[scott]

wayyyy too much no?

Definitely, IMO. Marshall seems like a 3/30 guy at most for me. But I'll honestly say I'm not super familiar with his game and neither are most people on this board... which is why I feel 4/64 would lead to a meltdown. It would be a "who?!?!" type signing.

[LeBowen]

Definitely, IMO. Marshall seems like a 3/30 guy at most for me. But I'll honestly say I'm not super familiar with his game and neither are most people on this board... which is why I feel 4/64 would lead to a meltdown. It would be a "who?!?!" type signing.

Tbh, NOLA's wing rotation is one of the deeper in the league.
Ingram, Herb, Murphy, Dyson Daniels were all ahead of him. Obviously Zion is also a forward in their rotation.

Right now 30/3 feels about right, but as you say we don't have enough data on him to evaluate if he could have a bigger role.
Regardless of the draft, we definitely need another solid forward to fill the rotation.
My choice was Highsmith because I'm more familiar with him and he was solid for Miami.
Marshall is two years younger and was probably used in a less optimal role than Highsmith.

He played 26 minutes or more in just 11 games last season.
Averages 9ppg in those games. But then you look at the stats and he's got games where he was a non-factor.
Was it because of bad coaching or because he's actually a Tony Snell?
For example, b2b games in February at Knicks and Indiana.
He took 4 total shots in 56 minutes of play. But had 12 total rebounds, 7 assists, 2 steals and 2 blocks. So it's not like he's Snell-ing it out there.

64/4 would be way too risky, though. We already have a Collins.