You don't. I was talking more long-term. 'The core' likely won't be much better next year realistically - no matter what they do in the draft and won't be for at least two more draft/free-agent cycles when you can get those guys off the roster or at least into heavily-diminished roles within the rotation.
Fact of the matter is there's still gonna be a lot of borderline NBA players getting a ton of minutes next season and if it's a case of 'who's going to plug the biggest hole' I'll take Castle's supposed defense upside and work-in-progress shooting over the sobering thought of one of Jones or Dillingham being on the floor for every single defensive possession all year long.
That's just my opinion though. Taking Castle and Dillingham and using the latter in a limited bench role could work I guess.
So let me get this straight, we need to get rid or diminish the role of a player like Sochan, who was drafted despite his poor shooting, because of his size, defensive versatility, and connective playmaking, to make room to draft a player, despite his poor shooting, because of his size, defensive versatility and connective playmaking. Got it.
didn't we give up 60 once?Not getting 50 bombs dropped on us?
That's not who we are
Sorry, but put me firmly in the camp of freaking the out if the Spurs go with Salaun at #4 over Castle or SheppardDrafting him at 8 is bad enough; 4 would be malpractice.
50 is just a starting place. Completely content giving up 70 if the situation calls for it!
Yup. We lost by what 8 or 9 points per game in PF/PA last year? Castle might improve that 3 or 4 PA but cost us 1 or 2 on PF. Push player, imo. Certainly not a top 4 pick at least in my book.Wemby could literally see a regression in production if that happens. I see folks freely predicting a lineup of Tre, Vassell, Castle, Sochan and Wemby as if such lineup had any chance of working in today's NBA.
All I know is Wemby needs a Red Rocket to play with him - a guy who can shoot 3s and defend 5s. Wemby's still having trouble with Embiid, Davis, Lively
Yup. I think I tried to forget about the 70 piece Embiid dropped on us. The other game I was thinking about came from Brunson during Spring Break last year when he rubbed his 61 points and his scrotum all over the floor
User name checks out. Bonner was definitely an under appreciated asset to our success with precisely what you said though. Manning up 5s in small ball or on defensive rotations was huge.
Good thing Zollins got a -ton of money to do just that
I was talking about Tre Jones/Stephon Castle/Rob Dillingham. You brought up Sochan not me.
Where did I say Castle would be replacing Sochan? The guy has minimal playmaking upside on the perimeter (despite what PATFO thought going into last season) and is somewhat overrated defensively especially when he's matched up against smaller players.
He's better off defending wings or smaller bigs and can't be left on an island at the top of the key. A lot of people seem to think Castle can be. They're not the same player and wouldn't/shouldn't be occupying the same spaces on the court.
We were definitely talking about Sochan and Jones.
It is easy to say that with hindsight, in reality this was what was thought of Sochan as a prospect:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndica...oster.amp.htmlBaylor forward Jeremy Sochan, who is one of the best defensive players in the 2022 NBA draft pool, will be heading to San Antonio to play for the Spurs after going ninth overall.
Scouting Report: Sochan's versatility checks a valuable mix of boxes that allows scouts to overlook his lack of scoring firepower. At 6'10", he's a passer, cutter and capable open shooter who has the size, mobility and IQ to defend guards, wings and bigs.
https://www.peachtreehoops.com/2022/...-atlanta-hawksBuilt with a huge frame at 6’9”, 230-lbs and possessing a 7’0” wingspan, he has good measurables and an NBA ready body to compete with professional athletes.
His calling card is his ability to guard just about all five positions, and create deflections and transition opportunities in off ball situations. He keeps his hands active hands and feet ready to pounce on any loose handle or lazy pass. Sochan’s excellent motor and hustle are immediately evident upon putting on tape of him this past season. In the clip below, he shows the ability to step out to the perimeter, recover to fight in the paint, and erase an attempt at the rim in one possession.
While he’s very much unrefined on the opposite end of the court, Sochan has some real ability to handle the ball in space. In transition, he does a good job of looking up the floor and finding streaking teammates ahead. He could be a dribble handoff operator in short spurts or even a pick-and-roll operator in time in the half court game as well. His best threat at this stage in his development, however, is attacking closeouts and dribble driving from the top of the key.
While his shooting range is yet very limited, Sochan finishes near the rim fairly well. He’s able to use his dribble in limited face up opportunities, and has a high release on his short turnaround jump shots.
Those are a lot of the same things people are saying about Castle, tbh.
2 more days ...
This reads so strange... our top target in this draft has a Danny Green role player ceiling and the best fit next to Wemby, Dillingham is sliding because he's 10 lbs lighter than we thought... Dilly might not have many defensive tools but that doesn't mean he can't learn to be a pest on that end, right?
Once again I simply never mentioned Sochan in my original post. There's just no debate to be had here but ok lol.
And the 'NBA player X had a similar scouting report and isn't/wasn't good' logic could be equally used to eliminate every single player in this draft from the Spurs' board - especially 6'1" 164 lbs guards.
I did, so if you didn't want to be missinterpreted, you should have said you weren't talking about Sochan. Although I don't know who else you could have been talking about since you were talking in plural and I only mentioned two guys: Sochan and Jones.
Sure, I just posted that so that you couldn't re-write history about Sochan's scouting report coming out of college, tbh.And the 'NBA player X had a similar scouting report and isn't/wasn't good' logic could be equally used to eliminate every single player in this draft from the Spurs' board - especially 6'1" 164 lbs guards.
How in earth would Sochan NOT be considered part of the core but Tre Jones is?
Jones is on an expiring deal and they had their chance to sign him for longer but they didn't want it.
Sochan is the highest drafted player besides Wemby and has started 126 of 130 games played.
Sochan just ended his second season in the league and was only legally allowed to drink a beer a month ago. A huge part of the season he was asked to play out of position and you mother ers are still blaming him for it.
I can't wait until this fanbase starts hating on whoever we draft this year.
I actually like Sochan and I consider him part of the core moving forward, that's precisely why I'm not of fan of keep adding prospects with a high risk of never developing a reliable jumper, tbh.Sochan just ended his second season in the league and was only legally allowed to drink a beer a month ago. A huge part of the season he was asked to play out of position and you mother ers are still blaming him for it.
I can't wait until this fanbase starts hating on whoever we draft this year.
The alternatives are small guards or wings that aren't very good. The fit between Castle and Sochan is definitely a problem. In the end I just want the best player and figure it out.
Reading your thoughts on Risacher reminds me a lot of Hollinger’s controversial article on him several weeks ago that generated a mixed response here on SpursTalk. While I also have Risacher #1 on my big board, his shortcomings do give me plenty of pause, and I worry that we might be falling into groupthink having him #1 when he could be a bust hiding in plain sight.
Givony on Windhorst's podcast claimed that part of why Risacher was at the top of teams boards was them realizing in workouts that he could really pass. Givony also said that he played point guard in the French second division and averaged 5 assists a game there, making him a much more complete player than his role for Bourg let on.
If he really does have some playmaking skills as in connective passing then I can see the appeal.
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