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    Listening to the Utility Sports mock in the background, and supposedly DEN has made a first round promise to a center.
    Daron Holmes has been the rumour for a little while I believe. Wonder what they think of Nnaji if that’s the case?

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    Crazy school that Bristol Central

    Aaron Hernandez went to that school.
    And two of his teammates were also murderers, one killing two cops.

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    Listening to the Utility Sports mock in the background, and supposedly DEN has made a first round promise to a center.
    looked him up, just looks like random youtuber w/ opinions. what kind of sauces would he have?

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    looked him up, just looks like random youtuber w/ opinions. what kind of sauces would he have?
    My guess is that he's just repeating what he's heard from more connected folks. PhantomDashCam followed up with what apparently has been old news. Sorry, wasn't suggesting that the YouTube had a scoop, just that is where I first heard of it. I don't fully believe anything until Eric Zhang reports it though.

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    Been thinking more about the reports that both NO and PHX would like to move out of their FRP for SRPs.

    If the Spurs don't want a 3rd FRP this year, might they still be able to play facilitator role with their abundance of SRPs?

    The Mavs, for example, are a team without an FRP this year but a slimmer warchest of SRPs. (Not sure what we'd want out of Dallas for doing this, but this is just an example).

    If NO and PHX really want out... I hope we don't let that opportunity slip through our fingers, one way or another.

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    Been thinking more about the reports that both NO and PHX would like to move out of their FRP for SRPs.

    If the Spurs don't want a 3rd FRP this year, might they still be able to play facilitator role with their abundance of SRPs?

    The Mavs, for example, are a team without an FRP this year but a slimmer warchest of SRPs. (Not sure what we'd want out of Dallas for doing this, but this is just an example).

    If NO and PHX really want out... I hope we don't let that opportunity slip through our fingers, one way or another.
    Suns probably have a couple of specific targets like Kolek or maybe one of the centers... and if theyre unavailable they will gladly trade out for future picks

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    Yeah I'm waiting for those DEN claims to be Zhangfirmed

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    Some talk about Phoenix trading 22 to Utah for 29 and 32. Obviously can't compete with that but the sort of thing teams might want to do.

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    One reminder, if we stay pay at 4 and 8, these kids will be the 5th and 6th highest drafted prospects in Spurs history, with 3 of those guys with rings on their fingers and their numbers retired, and Wemby will eventually join them.

    No pressure.

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    Yup. A scenario I would love and discussed with Eric on Twitter was:

    SA trades 4 + CHA pick + 35 + maybe 2 more 2nds for pick 1 and SA takes Reed. This allows ATL to comfortably do the trade and SA pay less as if ATL truly wants Risacher or Clingan, they can guarantee that by SA taking Reed 1 and WAS taking Sarr 2. So ATL gets one of their 2 guys and pays much less and gets some extra draft capital too.

    Then when the draft goes: Reed to SA, Sarr to WAS, Clingan/Risacher to HOU and Clingan/Risacher to ATL, SA then trades 8 + 3 2nds (or 1 future heavily protected first) to DET for pick 5 and takes Castle.

    Spurs come away with Reed + Castle.
    Just draft Cam Spencer in the second round. Not much difference between Sheppard and Spencer.

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    I could see a team moving up to take him #1 overall. Clearly the most skilled big man. Might be the most sure fire player for long term success in the draft. Houston, Memphis, Detroit could all use this kid.

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    One reminder, if we stay pay at 4 and 8, these kids will be the 5th and 6th highest drafted prospects in Spurs history, with 3 of those guys with rings on their fingers and their numbers retired, and Wemby will eventually join them.

    No pressure.
    Lol. Hadn't thought of this but you're spot on. That #4 pick especially is gonna have some expectations on him.

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    I think it’s Tidjane at #8 and Dilly or Carter with a trade to move lower in the draft. Guessing Utah or Portland trading us #7 for #4.

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    I could see a team moving up to take him #1 overall. Clearly the most skilled big man. Might be the most sure fire player for long term success in the draft. Houston, Memphis, Detroit could all use this kid.
    I do think trad centers get a wrap that they’re dinosaurs but these big men can definitely find a place. I think a guy like Edey is gonna be overlooked. Clingan has impact potential.

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    Some talk about Phoenix trading 22 to Utah for 29 and 32. Obviously can't compete with that but the sort of thing teams might want to do.
    Phoenix’s cupboard is pretty bare. They need picks, even if it means moving a bit later in the first round.

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    There was a point that Givony and Lowe raised on the Lowe post today about second rounders being more valuable now under the current CBA, as the second round exception means that teams can get cheap guys and have them around for a few years of team control, rather than cycling their bench all the time.

    I've thought of Phoenix in the past as a team that could be a trade target as they have a bare cupboard, and a 3 seconds for 1 first deal (In past threads, I've suggested 35, 48 and a second in an out year where Phoenix has 0 picks) could be good.

    That applies for Phoenix this year (and we couldn't beat Utah if they offer 29 and 32) but it applies to future years as well if we wanted to jump up to grab a late first from one of the (potentially many) teams that are above the 1st / 2nd apron.

    It'll be interesting if some of those very early 2nd round picks become in a way more valuable than the late firsts because of how contracts count against the cap and tax. If you move down from late first and save ~ $1m in salary (scale 1st round pick vs minimum, probably don't save that much with NIL impact, etc), and double that / quadruple that in tax, you might prefer the lower cost, particularly if you think the tier of players is flat on draft night.

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    I’m beginning to feel like this draft is everyone thinks no one knows what’s really gonna happen on draft night because of all the posturing and the smokescreens, and then come draft day itself, the picks go exactly as expected.

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    Listening to the Utility Sports mock in the background, and supposedly DEN has made a first round promise to a center.
    the guy from utility sports has been pretty spot on the last 3 years ive watched him. Best youtuber for sure bar none.

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    There was a point that Givony and Lowe raised on the Lowe post today about second rounders being more valuable now under the current CBA, as the second round exception means that teams can get cheap guys and have them around for a few years of team control, rather than cycling their bench all the time.

    I've thought of Phoenix in the past as a team that could be a trade target as they have a bare cupboard, and a 3 seconds for 1 first deal (In past threads, I've suggested 35, 48 and a second in an out year where Phoenix has 0 picks) could be good.

    That applies for Phoenix this year (and we couldn't beat Utah if they offer 29 and 32) but it applies to future years as well if we wanted to jump up to grab a late first from one of the (potentially many) teams that are above the 1st / 2nd apron.

    It'll be interesting if some of those very early 2nd round picks become in a way more valuable than the late firsts because of how contracts count against the cap and tax. If you move down from late first and save ~ $1m in salary (scale 1st round pick vs minimum, probably don't save that much with NIL impact, etc), and double that / quadruple that in tax, you might prefer the lower cost, particularly if you think the tier of players is flat on draft night.
    I think those scenarios around the Suns are quite realistic. they have this gigantic pay roll, but only 7 players under contract. additionally 4 players with POs, who might opt out or not, this creates more insecurity about how many roster spots they will have to fill. so inexpensive 2nd rounders, that give them additional flexibilty about the contract type, make a lot of sense for them.
    I don't think 35+48 for 22 will do it. but what about this scenario: Spurs acquire another 2nd rounder for future picks?
    Blazers roster is already well filled, they likely can't bring in another 4 rookies. they might sell the #34 pick for future 2nd rounders.
    so if Spurs offer 34, 35, 48 to the Suns for 22, that might get it done.

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    As a note, not a lot of Spurs second round picks are early in the round. They're mostly mediocre.

    The two SRPs that the Charlotte pick will convert to may be, however, if they don't get their act together.

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    I wonder how many front offices will deviate from the usual BPA drafting strategy this year.
    Our Spurs are indeed in an interesting situation having two top 8 picks. In what is projected to be a rather weak and flat draft, do you just go for BPA both at 4 or 8 or does fit play a bigger role than it usually does (and should) when picking in the lottery? Do you try and go for two different player archetypes? Do you go for a rather "safe pick" (as much as there are any in this draft) at 4 and then go swinging for the fences and select possibly high upside but also higher bust potential at 8?
    Lots of interesting scenarios that could possibly make sense - there is a reason this thread has reached well over 400 pages already ...

    Personally, I hope the Spurs won't pick two guys of the "if only his shooting will come around he might be great" mold. To me, Castle seems like a bigger reach in the top 5 than for most (be it here or in more "official" mock drafts). Then again, I am only going by what I have read and heard (via podcasts) about him.

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    I’m beginning to feel like this draft is everyone thinks no one knows what’s really gonna happen on draft night because of all the posturing and the smokescreens, and then come draft day itself, the picks go exactly as expected.
    They might do just that, but two players I think may be traded up for are Reed and Clingan.

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    As a note, not a lot of Spurs second round picks are early in the round. They're mostly mediocre.

    The two SRPs that the Charlotte pick will convert to may be, however, if they don't get their act together.
    If Chicago burns it down to tank, that 2025 SRP will be nice, too. Another sneaky good one might be the 2026 Utah SRP we got from Minny last year. If they are truly shopping Lauri, then they’re in the tank for 2025, and will likely be bad the following year, too.
    Last edited by exstatic; 06-25-2024 at 08:45 AM.

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    One more day es..

    I’m happy with any of Castle, Sarr and Sheppard at 4. I concede Risacher is gone by 4.

    Then any of Carter, Dilly, Salaun Buzelis and Williams at 8 is okay.

    I’m intrigued with Salaun having a higher standing reach than AD and Adebayo. Already a big kid, if Salaun grows anymore, he could be a brute force in the paint. I’d be happy to take a swing at Salaun or Williams.
    Carter means having a tenacious POA defender. Not sexy and very Spursy. I’d be okay at 8.
    Knecht is meh at 8, but I would understand.
    I have doubts on Buzelis and Holland, I’d be surprised if Spurs picked them at 8.
    Topic at 8 could mean Spurs saw a future PG and willing to wait another year. I’d be okay if Spurs is high on Topic at 8.

    Clingan at top 3 would be great for the Spurs.

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