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    15th or 18th would be beyond ridiculous.
    Just look at this draft.
    He's literally the only player who doesn't need to make massive improvements to his offensive game.
    Amazing handles, shoots from everywhere, good passer, good off-ball movement and shooting, has a good layup package.

    Everyone else is fundamentally flawed and yet we're debating if Dillingham even gets picked in the lottery.
    Yeah, he's undersized, but he's not 5'9, ffs.
    Agreed. I still want Dilly at 8 pretty badly, just don't think PATFO feel the same way. History tells us they like big, defensive-minded PG's. They haven't drafted a short, offensive-minded PG in the First Round since Tony tbh. Even Beno Udrih was 6'3 barefoot.

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    Agreed. I still want Dilly at 8 pretty badly, just don't think PATFO feel the same way. History tells us they like big, defensive-minded PG's. They haven't drafted a short, offensive-minded PG in the First Round since Tony tbh. Even Beno Udrih was 6'3 barefoot.
    i feel the same way. i think 8 is going to be Salaun or Carter but holding out hope for Dilly

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    i feel the same way. i think 8 is going to be Salaun or Carter but holding out hope for Dilly
    Carter at 8 I'd be okay with. Salaun over either one those guys would suck chunks tbh. Dilly from day one would bring shooting and shot creation to a team that desperately needs it. He'd also fill our biggest need. At worst, he'd be a Lou Will type 6th Man off the bench that would inject instant offense into the 2nd unit. At best, he's Darius Garland 2.0 and an All-Star Reserve level scoring PG imo.

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    Some good thoughts on Dilly's potential draft floor - but what about his ceiling? Is #8 it?

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    i agree that a reasonable ceiling projection for dillingham is something like Garland. i've mentioned Kemba before (kemba was stronger than either) as well. basically low tier/replacement all star.

    i think Lou Williams is a very ambitious floor. williams was 3x 6MOTY. i think bones hyland is his floor

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    Bones Hyland sounds about right. The difference, though, is Hyland was never a playmaker. Per 36, Dillingham averaged nearly three times as many assists. The book on Bones, other than a bad at ude, has been that he's just a chucker, not a point.

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    i think Lou Williams is a very ambitious floor. williams was 3x 6MOTY. i think bones hyland is his floor
    Bones Hyland sounds about right. The difference, though, is Hyland was never a playmaker. Per 36, Dillingham averaged nearly three times as many assists. The book on Bones, other than a bad at ude, has been that he's just a chucker, not a point.
    I think even his floor is higher than Bones Hyland, in terms of style it could be, but looks to me like a much more explosive scorer and his playmaking is more advanced. Also, Bones problem has a lot to do with his head. Dillingham isn't guaranteed to be better than Lou Williams (I think he will be) but I´d be shocked if he isn't a much better player than Bones Hyland.

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    The dream is still alive boys

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    "Cut short my vacation, Dilly is in San Antonio. Hold him there on my command."

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    I don't love Dilly as much as some others here, but I think he's maybe the best bet to be an A+ advantage creator off the bounce in the draft, and he's got more on ball juice than Sheppard.

    I'm not sure I'd pair them together as an NBA team, but if we don't draft Sheppard at 4 I think Dilly is at the top of my board for #8. ( I say this fully going against my stats based draft evaluation normally, reverting to vibes and the fact that Dilly has JUICE).

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    Buz + Dilly, make it happen. This result will be the perfect blend of pleasing and triggering to this message board to keep things juicy all offseason.

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    That's funny, because I see Nash and Irving in his game. The one he's least like is Parker.

    But it does seem like someone talked to him.

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    The one thing Pop would freaking love about Dillingham, in the mold of Parker, is that Dillingham will be able to disrupt and stir up defenses the way Parker did. TP's job was to probe, attack, move through the lane, constantly make individual defenders decide what they wanted to do. Dillingham doesn't have the same speed and is absolute inside due to strength, but he should be able to be trained to do similar things, keep defenses constantly having to react.

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    It's too bad the CHI pick we own wasn't this years at 11th Overall tbh. Spurfan may have had real shot at getting Dilly. Simply don't see it happening anymore though. If they're going the Guard route at 8, think Carter is definitely their guy (assuming he's there).

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    Castle and Dillingham, Ginobili and Parker. It’s a stretch but hey…

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    If Dilly really wants to be a Spur he needs to up his name dropping game.

    "I model my game after Steve Nash, Kyrie Irving and....Avery Johnson."
    "I model my game after Steve Nash, Kyrie Irving and....James Silas."
    "I model my game after Steve Nash, Kyrie Irving and....Johnny Moore."

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    If Dilly really wants to be a Spur he needs to up his name dropping game.

    "I model my game after Steve Nash, Kyrie Irving and....Avery Johnson."
    "I model my game after Steve Nash, Kyrie Irving and....James Silas."
    "I model my game after Steve Nash, Kyrie Irving and....Johnny Moore."
    if he wanted to get pops attention he should have said Patty Mills

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    Dilly practically begging to be a Spur tbh


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    The one thing Pop would freaking love about Dillingham, in the mold of Parker, is that Dillingham will be able to disrupt and stir up defenses the way Parker did. TP's job was to probe, attack, move through the lane, constantly make individual defenders decide what they wanted to do. Dillingham doesn't have the same speed and is absolute inside due to strength, but he should be able to be trained to do similar things, keep defenses constantly having to react.
    Spot on.
    Someone mentioned TJ McConnell's performance against the Celtics.
    He has that Nash dribble where he just goes under the basket with the ball and sucks the defense in. Lost art in today's league, tbh.

    While he doesn't have Tony's speed or obviously inside finishing, he looks like he could be an elite shooter off the dribble and that's his biggest advantage.
    How do you defend Wemby PNR if you have to go over the screen because the ballhandler is an elite shooter off the dribble?
    Yeah, we love and prefer motion offense, everyone shares the ball, but sometimes the simplest plays are the most effective.
    And it's not like we would've won anything without Manu/Tony creating great looks out of nothing in the clutch.

    We desperately need spacing and self-creation, our team was so hard to watch in most games last season.

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    Spot on.
    Someone mentioned TJ McConnell's performance against the Celtics.
    He has that Nash dribble where he just goes under the basket with the ball and sucks the defense in. Lost art in today's league, tbh.

    While he doesn't have Tony's speed or obviously inside finishing, he looks like he could be an elite shooter off the dribble and that's his biggest advantage.
    How do you defend Wemby PNR if you have to go over the screen because the ballhandler is an elite shooter off the dribble?
    Yeah, we love and prefer motion offense, everyone shares the ball, but sometimes the simplest plays are the most effective.
    And it's not like we would've won anything without Manu/Tony creating great looks out of nothing in the clutch.

    We desperately need spacing and self-creation, our team was so hard to watch in most games last season.


    I've loved his self-creation and playmaking all season, and think he's underrated on the latter. Derek Parker does good videos. Here, starting at 5:00 is a good basket of Dillingham passes. Skips, reads on picks, lobs, and what we're talking about here, how he can see development when he attacks the rim. Plus he should be able to pick up both Parker's ability to circulate through the lane as well as the floater. Both would serve him well. Parker had blinding speed. Dillingham has exceptional quickness and fantastic footwork that keeps defenders off-balance and not knowing what he's going to do.

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    I've loved his self-creation and playmaking all season, and think he's underrated on the latter. Derek Parker does good videos. Here, starting at 5:00 is a good basket of Dillingham passes. Skips, reads on picks, lobs, and what we're talking about here, how he can see development when he attacks the rim. Plus he should be able to pick up both Parker's ability to circulate through the lane as well as the floater. Both would serve him well. Parker had blinding speed. Dillingham has exceptional quickness and fantastic footwork that keeps defenders off-balance and not knowing what he's going to do.
    I've actually seen that video. Any doubter should check it out.
    Idk how can people who don't like Dillingham be high on Sheppard.

    Yeah, Sheppard is just your average negative defender, while Dillingham is a tier worse, but Dillingham is better at everything on offense.
    Like comparing Klay with let's say Dame and saying Klay is a bigger threat from deep. Yeah, but just off the catch.

    Another thing I like about Dillingham is his off the ball movement. Not elite, but usually these Lou Will type 6 mans off the bench don't really do much off the ball. He moves a lot and knows how to get himself in good spots.

    Meanwhile if we get Sheppard, we'd have to question his self-creating and ability to be the primary ballhandler.
    Like what are we supposed to do with a 6'2 guard who can't be an actual point guard?

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