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Yeah, by every indication they want to get something more out of the pick.
Good. SA shouldn’t bite no matter what ATL says. Call their bluff and watch them pick Clingan. And if they pick Risacher? No problem, pick Castle at #4. You win either way.
Yeah, by every indication they want to get something more out of the pick.
Offensively, I think Sarr is interested in being able to be a face up forward / centre, rather than just setting 80 screens a game for Trae. I think Clingan is probably better at that role than Sarr is, and Sarr doubles up with Jalen Johnson a bit. I'd still take Sarr as Atlanta as I think he's the best prospect in the draft (along with Sheppard), but I understand why Sarr (his camp etc) may think that it's a bad fit.
i dont think sarr's issue with ATL is that he doesnt want to play second fiddle. the guy went to NBL to be a backup instead of playing somewhere he could be more featured
i think he is trying to find a situation where he can personally succeed, and in Atlanta, he looks like he would be forced to play as primarily a rim running center who finishes pick and rolls and from the dunker spot. wemby had quotes himself about not wanting to be "put in a box" as a traditional center, so he also had preferences. everyone here seems to love castle even though he is actively trying to avoid several teams because he insists on playing point guard (and also wants an easy path to a starting job...).
sarr probably doesnt see his path to success as being a capela/deandre jordan type rim runner. the scouting reports on him say he's not a good pick and roll player. doesnt set good screens, doesnt have the timing down on rolls, doesnt have great hands
washington gives him more of an opportunity to develop his perimeter skills, face up game, etc.
i dont think its him saying "washington is an amazing franchise/atmosphere"... its just that he thinks theres a better opportunity for him to develop there into his max potential
Of course they will want their unprotected picks back and the spurs are not trading those.
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I do personally prefer Reed for Sa
Really good to see our FO excerting the upper hand here.
I'm here for the Brian Wright " 'em all" era.
its somewhat close. in a vacuum sarr is the more tantalizing prospect. but sheppard checks the big boxes for what the spurs need
shooting
defense (kind of. he has his weaknesses but seems to be able to compensate for it)
point guard play
transition play (his outlet passes and ability to intuitively fill shooting lanes)
i dont think the gap in "bpa" here is significant enough to make up for the seemingly perfect fit. but id be pretty happy with either
Givony claimed yesterday that the scuttlebutt around the league is that maybe the Spurs would be open to putting some level of protection on the Hawks '25 1st.
One of the so-called Hawks insiders claimed the '25 1st would be the most likely piece coming back as well.
Again though, whatever feasibility this has hinges on someone not trading up to 3 for Clingan.
my updated final board. as the spurstalk 2024 march madness champion, this is authoritative
Tier 1 - I would be happy if we selected him at #4 overall
Risacher
Sheppard
Dillingham
Sarr
Tier 2 - I would be content with selecting him at #4, but would be happy getting him at #8
Holland
Castle* (not point guard)
Tier 3 - I would be content with selecting him at #8
Cody Williams
Clingan
Buzelis
Tier 4 - I could live with selecting him at #8
Carter
Castle* (as a point guard)
Knecht
Topic
Collier
Tier 5 - I will have a meltdown
Salaun
basically, how much i like Castle is predicated on how i think they intend to use him. if he's drafted at 4 and dillingham is taken at 8, its great. if he's drafted at 4 but cody williams/knecht/salaun or whatever and its clear the plan is to force him at PG, then im unhappy. now if somehow the board shaped up in a way where we landed risacher and castle, it would soften the blow of the Castle PG thing
Last edited by spurraider21; 06-25-2024 at 04:17 PM.
Agree I’d be happy with Sarr or Reed and I think AtL 25 straight up for pick 1 makes sense value wise for both teams. Stein reporting Sa is trying to move up for Sarr
Givony is so desperate for this to happen.
I don't know why there would be a likelihood someone would target 3 for a trade to get Clingan when there's little chance the Spurs take him at 4. Cheaper to target 4 or 5.
I read today that Houston would be willing to trade 3 for 8 and the Chicago and/or the Charlotte pick(s). I would absolutely do that if Risacher and Castle are still on the board.
What's the point of putting protections on the 2025 pick? Kind of destroys much of the appeal of that pick.
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i dont know about that. by taking the #1 pick off of them, we are also making that ATL 25 pick better, since they lose the ability to improve themselves via the draft. from a value perspective i could go with the 2027 pick. but that also contemplates the spurs taking 3 players (#1, #4, and #8) and finding time to develop them all. also, pushing in chips to maximize picks in a weak draft seems impulsive
Don't know if protections would even be legal if the Spurs want the pick eventually
If atl keeps the pick, how could it possibly eventually transfer to the Spurs when 26 and 27 are already en bered?
Does it become a protected 29 pick? Does it just disappear into a second rounder
Seems implausible
There's no conceivable way the Hawks trade away their #1 draft pick without anything to show out of this draft. Their fanbase would put them on the guillotine.
In this hypothetical, the Spurs would take Clingan at 4 because it'd be part of a trade for Risacher at 1.
I was thinking that too. My sense is it'd have to be a one shot deal and if it didn't convey it'd have to convert to a 1st of some sort in '28 or '29.
If the Spurs trade ATL's 2025 or 2026 FRP to move up for a wildcard in Risacher, we riot. That's all I know.
FWIW -- Via CBS Sports' new mock they just released an hour ago:
"The thing I keep hearing about the Spurs is that shooting is going to be a requisite... They do not want anymore non-shooters." (4:22 mark)
Not exactly rocket science that we badly need shooting, but if we pass on Castle for Salaun or Knecht, we also riot.
I don’t understand how Sarr would fit alongside Wemby. Risacher makes sense but I don’t see much reason to move up and let go of future capital unless the framework involves Young or Murray.
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