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    IMO, the case for Sarr is very similar to the case for Castle. Both need a jump shot to reach their full potential, but they also have a high defensive floor with positional versatility. Not that Sarr will slip to #4, but that would be an interesting choice if it happened. In that case I'd probably go Sarr for the size.

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    IMO, the case for Sarr is very similar to the case for Castle. Both need a jump shot to reach their full potential, but they also have a high defensive floor with positional versatility. Not that Sarr will slip to #4, but that would be an interesting choice if it happened. In that case I'd probably go Sarr for the size.
    Sarr doesn't have positional versatility and the difference between them is, if Sarr's theoretical offensive skills never become a reality, he can still be a good, versatile defensive anchor and play a low usage/high efficiency style, where he rim runs, plays out of the dunker spot and vertical spaces for lobs (opening up weakside corner 3's).

    If, as expected, Castle is neither a primary creator or spacer, then he'll need to play alongside 4 shooters, so he can function as a small ball big offensively . . . and if his team doesn't have that, then he better be damn good at virtually everything else for them to go through the trouble to make him more than a bit player.

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    If we can somehow land Sarr then picking up Dillingham would be a no brainer. Dillingham, Vassel, Keldon, Sarr, Wemby.
    on this my fellow Dynasty I completly agree

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    If we can somehow land Sarr then picking up Dillingham would be a no brainer. Dillingham, Vassel, Keldon, Sarr, Wemby.
    so you combine awful perimeter D with amazing rim protection... damn, that's a hard nut to crack..

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    so you combine awful perimeter D with amazing rim protection... damn, that's a hard nut to crack..
    Wemby and Sarr actually have great perimeter D in a vacuum. When you got both covering you, the perimeter players job will be to suck them into the 3 point line where the long arms of Sarr and Wemby will cause havoc. It would be a more devastating defense than Tim Duncan and Drob because DRob was old and Td was slower than both these guys. Eiffel Towers would beat the Twin Towers because they are entering the league together.

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    Some picks will need more time than others to develop. I sense that Sarr will need a lot of work being young. Bigs seem to need more development time as well (just my opinion). I don't see Sarr contributing much next year. If taking a long road, then that's probably okay. But I think I would prefer a player who can contribute a little bit earlier.

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    Sarr would be great on the Spurs but unfortunately he won't be available at 4.

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    If we take Sarr then Sochan gets moved in a trade. I gotta say though, I've never been high on Sochan. I've advocated moving him to indy for Jarace Walker last draft, but some of the takes about the guy are ridiculous. He's not so good that you avoid drafting someone who plays his position, but he's not trash you try and dump either.
    Spot on. People here are so triggered or defensive about Sochan. He's mid, but that's okay. Yeah, you hope lottery picks show out a little more - but Sochan isn't a complete bust. He's also not some budding superstar either.

    For that reason, Sochan shouldn't enter one's mind at all when thinking about this draft. If the clear cut best player at 4 is a PF, then you take him. And if a PF is worth taking at 4, then yeah - you should expect that he can beat out Jeremy Sochan for a starting role. If he can't... then you shouldn't have taken him at 4.

    The only players on this team who should have any impact or consideration on this draft are Wemby and Vassell.

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    If Sarr can just hit his three's he would be a 3 & D PF from . Usually you would want far more in a first overall pick but in such a bad class Sarr should go first. If the Spurs somehow land him I wouldn't be mad. It would be a risky pick but so is every pick this year.

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    If Sarr can just hit his three's he would be a 3 & D PF from . Usually you would want far more in a first overall pick but in such a bad class Sarr should go first. If the Spurs somehow land him I wouldn't be mad. It would be a risky pick but so is every pick this year.
    3&D implies 3 point shooting being his main value on offense. i dont think he's going to get to that level. rather i think he just needs to get it to be good enough to force closeouts. his stroke isn't as smooth as wemby's was coming in, but its definitely more workable than sochan's.

    i kind of see Sarr's potential as an upgraded version of sochan. he's more of a threat when attacking the basket due to his superior length and athleticism, which will collapse defenses more than it ever does for sochan. i think sarr's passing is similar to risacher. i think they're both solid passers who right now arent able to move the defense to create those openings. while risacher would have to vastly improve his ballhandling to get to that point, sarr just having a size advantage over just about every 4 is going to being creating openings when he improves his finishing, or when he sets better screens to handle short roll situations.

    and defensively... his upside is pretty insane. i think he's better suited as a 4 than a 5 anyway. he's way more comfortable defending on the perimeter than wemby looked. wemby got by due to his absurd length, but did always seem to give a lot of space, had to do those wild sprints and leaping closeouts. sarr is much more natural out there, with the ability to still fly into the lane and block shots, or recover if beaten. he's not strong at all, so i think him playing the 4 and not the 5 is definitely better right now. i think he has the potential to be a Bam type defender when it comes to switchability and rim protection, though not as sturdy down low.

    if he somehow made it to 4 and we took him, he probably starts the year as a backup and plays alongside Zollins in the second unit, and its just a matter of him working on his perimeter skills to be able to supplant sochan as the starting 4

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    Stein reporting spurs are trying to get to 1 for Sarr. As I said I wouldn’t give up 4+8 or 4+ATL 25 but ATL 25 for 1 makes sense

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    Stein reporting spurs are trying to get to 1 for Sarr. As I said I wouldn’t give up 4+8 or 4+ATL 25 but ATL 25 for 1 makes sense
    Do you mean ATL 25 straight up for 1? I think they have to get something out of this draft. They'd get murdered by their fanbase.

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    Do you mean ATL 25 straight up for 1? I think they have to get something out of this draft. They'd get murdered by their fanbase.
    Maybe. That’s just my personal take on a deal not part of steins reporting. Agree it may be a tough pill to swallow optically for ATL but if you view it as Sarr for ATl 25 it sounds very reasonable Imo outside of optics of “number 1 for ATL 25”

    I wouldn’t do 4+8 for 1 and I definitely wouldn’t do 4+ATL 25 for 1 but ATL 25 for 1? Seems right in that sweet spot (maybe Sa adds in CHA pick + 35)

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    Maybe. That’s just my personal take on a deal not part of steins reporting. Agree it may be a tough pill to swallow optically for ATL but if you view it as Sarr for ATl 25 it sounds very reasonable Imo outside of optics of “number 1 for ATL 25”

    I wouldn’t do 4+8 for 1 and I definitely wouldn’t do 4+ATL 25 for 1 but ATL 25 for 1? Seems right in that sweet spot (maybe Sa adds in CHA pick + 35)
    A franchise just can't draw the number 1 pick and then trade it away for nothing in that draft. They'd get killed in local media, they'd lose ticket sales and season holders.

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    A franchise just can't draw the number 1 pick and then trade it away for nothing in that draft. They'd get killed in local media, they'd lose ticket sales and season holders.
    Maybe - I don’t disagree but I’m not doing even 8 + ATL 25

    That means it comes down to 4 + CHA pick + 35 or something like that. If they are more worried about fans than getting a better deal and their 25 back then fair enough. Great for me as I would much rather SA trade 4 + CHA + 35 for example than ATL 25

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    ATL fans are delusional with their 4+8 or 4+ATL25 or the even more comical 4+ATL25+ATL27 takes. I even think the 2+26 option they threw out would be an overpay from WAS point of view. Call their bluff and let ATL sit there and take a guy who refused to workout for them. In this game of poker, Atlanta is holding seven-deuce. 'em.

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    ATL fans are delusional with their 4+8 or 4+ATL25 or the even more comical 4+ATL25+ATL27 takes. I even think the 2+26 option they threw out would be an overpay from WAS point of view. Call their bluff and let ATL sit there and take a guy who refused to workout for them. In this game of poker, Atlanta is holding seven-deuce. 'em.
    They really are delusional with that noise.

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    Stein reporting spurs are trying to get to 1 for Sarr. As I said I wouldn’t give up 4+8 or 4+ATL 25 but ATL 25 for 1 makes sense
    Dumb

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    Im sorry but I really disagree it’s dumb (from SA perspective) even if I also *prefer* SA just held tight at 4 in this case (I would do 4 + CHA pick + 35 to move up for sure though)

    Yes, this draft is flatter and weaker, but there is a such thing as bird in the hand. Turning that ATL 25 into the number one pick while keeping picks 4 and 8 would just be a massive win for SA with regards to kicking of the return for Murray.

    Getting a number one pick (even if it’s just Sarr) is a great result overall, especially if doing this trade also kicks off ATL blowing it up which makes 26 and 27 more valuable too.

    Yes, I would still rather keep ATL 25 and just draft 4 even after saying that, but it’s hard to argue against it being a pretty big win for SA for Dejounte deal value wise.

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    Im sorry but I really disagree it’s dumb (from SA perspective) even if I also *prefer* SA just held tight at 4 in this case (I would do 4 + CHA pick + 35 to move up for sure though)

    Yes, this draft is flatter and weaker, but there is a such thing as bird in the hand. Turning that ATL 25 into the number one pick while keeping picks 4 and 8 would just be a massive win for SA with regards to kicking of the return for Murray.

    Getting a number one pick (even if it’s just Sarr) is a great result overall, especially if doing this trade also kicks off ATL blowing it up which makes 26 and 27 more valuable too.

    Yes, I would still rather keep ATL 25 and just draft 4 even after saying that, but it’s hard to argue against it being a pretty big win for SA for Dejounte deal value wise.
    Should have qualified. I don’t think you are dumb. I think Stein has been irrelevant for some time and grasping a stuff.

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    Should have qualified. I don’t think you are dumb. I think Stein has been irrelevant for some time and grasping a stuff.
    Gotcha - I didnt take it as you thinking I was dumb :Lol more that you thought trading ATL 25 for pick 1 was dumb. But Stein didnt say anything about what was offered; he just reported SA would like to move up and take Sarr

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    We explored this out the ying yang. Spurs get #1 and Murray and send the 4 and 8 OR the 25 along with Keldon Johnson in either case. Or we can get creative if course with the 26 or 27, through in the CHI or CHA etc.

    Most here don’t want to give up the ATL 25 for any price. Or anything ATL has at least. If the parties were motivated, they’d figure something out though, seems like.

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    FWIW, I buy the upside to play alongside Victor and the floor to be an impact defender at the next level. If we can put a protection on the '25 pick (top-8 or top-10) along with one of the two picks this year, that feels reasonable.

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    Let's do one of these trades and grab Sarr, Castle and Dillingham and call it a day. Sarr and Castle make our D infinitely better. Dillingham gonna Thrillingham.
    Wemby is such a good passer that he'd turn Sarr into prime Capella. Can we just sign off this and be done with it?

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    How does a protection on ATL's 2025 pick work? Their next year's pick is already swapped and they don't have their own SRPs in 2026 or 2027.

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