2024 NBA Off-Season Thread (FA, Trades, Extensions, Rumors)

[itzsoweezee]

The nova Knicks. What the is going on?

[Chinook]

I didn't mean that Wright should be selling off the few non-Wemby assets the Spurs have for even more picks. Perhaps I am guilty of assuming that since he has made good trades in the past to stockpile future assets at the expense of making the team worse in the short term, that he would be equally adept at spending the assets wisely to help the team be better next season and in the near future.

What I'm saying is that this doesn't seem to be the market for spending wisely. It seems to be the market for taking advantage of teams spending unwisely.

If anything, I think the Spurs might have a buyer's advantage at the deadline when so few teams have firsts they can offer. Otherwise, I see the Spurs' buyer future connected more to their ability to leverage value out of the Hawks (either through a trade similar to the HOU/BRK one today or through being the third team in a Murray or Young deal as I suggested in my first mock off-season). Otherwise, THEY'RE the team paying the premium for lesser stars, and they absolutely shouldn't be doing that.

[Seventyniner]

What I'm saying is that this doesn't seem to be the market for spending wisely. It seems to be the market for taking advantage of teams spending unwisely.

If anything, I think the Spurs might have a buyer's advantage at the deadline when so few teams have firsts they can offer. Otherwise, I see the Spurs' buyer future connected more to their ability to leverage value out of the Hawks (either through a trade similar to the HOU/BRK one today or through being the third team in a Murray or Young deal as I suggested in my first mock off-season). Otherwise, THEY'RE the team paying the premium for lesser stars, and they absolutely shouldn't be doing that.

Has this viewpoint been affected by the Nets/Knicks deal? In that it no longer seems wise for the Spurs to trade picks for an established player because the market has been set very high?

[gilmor2002]

Celtics will get beat by a healthy team next year. They had a very easy run this year.

Celtics are lucky against the Pacers; If JB never make the 3 pointer; this can easily go 7 games.

Pacers is really a sleeper's team; they have so many weapons.

[BacktoBasics]

Has this viewpoint been affected by the Nets/Knicks deal? In that it no longer seems wise for the Spurs to trade picks for an established player because the market has been set very high?

I doubt it changes much. Everyone knew the Knicks were gonna unload their capital for a piece to make a run.

They were gonna overpay if given the opportunity and the Nets had to budge.

I’m not sure there’s another team like the Nets out there that would align with that level of overpay.

[scott]

What I'm saying is that this doesn't seem to be the market for spending wisely. It seems to be the market for taking advantage of teams spending unwisely.

If anything, I think the Spurs might have a buyer's advantage at the deadline when so few teams have firsts they can offer. Otherwise, I see the Spurs' buyer future connected more to their ability to leverage value out of the Hawks (either through a trade similar to the HOU/BRK one today or through being the third team in a Murray or Young deal as I suggested in my first mock off-season). Otherwise, THEY'RE the team paying the premium for lesser stars, and they absolutely shouldn't be doing that.

I would respectfully counter that it may be too early to view this Bridges deal as market setting. Also, that the picks BKN acquired in this deal are all projected late FRPs (though anything can happen). Will be interesting to see if any other big deals materialize.

If the Bridges move is market setting, it puts ATL in an even more awkward position where on one hand they have a chance to tell Trae or DJM high to replenish the war chest, while on the other hand doing so would help the Spurs (absent a deal similar to BKN-HOU, but ATL doesn't have anything to make it worthwhile for the Spurs right now).

[Dverde]

DFM or Cam Johnson anyone?

[R. DeMurre]

The slew of FRPs seemed pretty crazy at first, but they mostly figure to be picks in the 20s and if you imagine a scenario where two picks in the 20s get you one in the late teens, it's not all that steep-- it's possibly not even the equivalent of the #4 and #8 picks in a typical draft year. For a team like the Knicks who feel like they're one move away from making the conference finals, I can understand it.

[Chinook]

Has this viewpoint been affected by the Nets/Knicks deal? In that it no longer seems wise for the Spurs to trade picks for an established player because the market has been set very high?

My viewpoint this whole year has been that such a trade would be unwise, so this market-affirming deal just makes that more clear to me. But it's becoming less possible for the Spurs to find a good deal for an older vet given that there are still teams who have futures they haven't thrown away yet. As I was mentioning, it'd have to be the right kind of deal where the Spurs' assets are sold at a premium rather than the Spurs paying the premium for another team's assets. I only see such a trade going through Atlanta. MAYBE the Spurs could make something happen with Chicago. But even that has deals far beyond where the Spurs should be entertaining right now.

It's feeling like it might be a year where the Spurs' best play in the market being a depository for salary to complete the square for teams trying to wheel and deal in a world of two aprons and the new CBA kicking in.

[RC_Drunkford]

The Knicks will send Bojan Bogdanovic, four unprotected first-round picks (2025, 2027, 2029, 2031), a 2025 protected first-rounder via the Milwaukee Bucks, a 2028 unprotected pick swap and a 2025 second-rounder to the Nets, sources said.

Even half of that would be too much

[rascal]

Jeez… how are the Spurs supposed to land a big fish via trade when a player like Mikal Brodges is going for 5 firsts? Insanity.

They're going to have to send a bunch of their first round picks if they want a star, not the lowball wish offers the people on this site thinks up.

[kxs783kms]

They're going to have to send a bunch of their first round picks if they want a star, not the lowball wish offers the people on this site thinks up.

I don't believe this to be true. A lot of these stars want to play with Wemby and the Spurs know that. Some of these teams will have to take the best offer they can get or wait and lose them in free agency. The Spurs are in no rush I believe. They hold the cards and can be real patient with what they want to do. If they can't land the star they may want on their terms, then they can easily wait it out. Just my opinion.

[Ariel]

DFM or Cam Johnson anyone?

Depending on the price, sure. I am definitely interested, and Brooklyn should be offloading him soon as he doesn´t match their rebuilding efforts. I'm having a hard time coming up with a price though, I don't want to give up first rounders for him and there aren't many expendable players on our roster that should pique Brooklyn's interest. Two possible paths:
A) Trade centered around Keldon. I wouldn´t give up any picks, perhaps Branham or Wesley. Spurs turn ill fitting pieces into others that fit better without spending draft capital, Brooklyn goes younger and takes a chance to rehabilitate Keldon's trade value.
B) Trade centered around Zach Collins and a future first round pick, lottery protected, a few years down the road when the Spurs are supposed to be good. Throw in a couple projects and/or a few 2nd rounders as needed. Spurs spend some non significant draft capital but fill a need and get rid of a bad contract, while Brooklyn adds to the war chest of picks.

The target I'd be most interested in is actually Coby White from Chicago, young and rising PG with good positional size and shooting, I don't think they'll want to part with him but it wouldn't hurt to ask. Offer could start at Keldon plus Chicago's pick back plus future Spurs first (say 28) lightly protected (say 8-8-8). Throw in Charlotte's first and second rounders as needed.

Every new team that commits to the tank offers opportunities, these are some Spurs should explore IMO.

[Ariel]

The slew of FRPs seemed pretty crazy at first, but they mostly figure to be picks in the 20s and if you imagine a scenario where two picks in the 20s get you one in the late teens, it's not all that steep-- it's possibly not even the equivalent of the #4 and #8 picks in a typical draft year. For a team like the Knicks who feel like they're one move away from making the conference finals, I can understand it.

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I've long said this: people like to say x number of picks, but not all are created equal, and Spurs war chest of picks is much more valuable that your typical traded first. Spurs shouldn't so easily let go of high potential picks for pseudo stars like Trae, they should aim at improving the roster in a cost efficient way until a true opportunity presents itself, which is a matter of time. People often argue for spending picks just because the Spurs have them, but if you take a look at OKC, Presti is very careful with how he spends his capital because he knows he needs to fund a long term contender with it, and it becomes expensive: players leave, some contracts turn sour and you need to dump them, injuries happen, etc. Being careful means you'll have the resources when you truly need them.

[T Park]

The 8 is 100% worth trading for Cam Johnson

[Bruno]

A consequence of the Bridges trade for Spurs is that it negatively impact the 2025 Hawks first round pick.

Nets, Pistons, Wizards and Hornets all should be damn bad next season and they might be joined Raptors and Bulls. Even if Hawks struggle and have injuries, they should win more than 30 games next year.

Hawks 2025 first round pick well be at, let's say, 80% a mid first round pick in the 11th to 20th range. It is a great asset but it isn't some kind holy grail that should only be dealt for a top10 player. If there is a player Spurs like, they shouldn't hesitate to trade this pick. Spurs could always add a top4 protection on it to cover something crazy happening during the lottery.

Saying that, using the 2025 Hawks first round pick (even top4 protected) to move up from #4 to #1 today would still suck.

[DAF86]

I view Bridges as closer to OG than Randle but maybe they view Randle as the weaker point. Big gamble if OG can’t stay healthy. Not that Randle is much better.

Yeah, Bridges is closer to OG than Randle. Bridges and OG are 3/4 while Randle is more of an old school pure 4. Old school pure 4 are almost useless in today's NBA, unless they can become full-time centers. Just look at the Celtics, their centers are former power Forwards (Porzingis and Horford) while they start two 3/4 at the forward positions (Tatum and Brown). Getting Bridges and getting rid of Randle is the right decision by the Knicks.

[Dverde]

11083960[/URL]]The 8 is 100% worth trading for Cam Johnson

He’s contract is about 23M for the next three years. I could see teams offering them additional picks for him especially if they are trading back a bad salary in exchange.

[objective]

A consequence of the Bridges trade for Spurs is that it negatively impact the 2025 Hawks first round pick.

Nets, Pistons, Wizards and Hornets all should be damn bad next season and they might be joined Raptors and Bulls. Even if Hawks struggle and have injuries, they should win less than 30 games next year.

Hawks 2025 first round pick well be at, let's say, 80% a mid first round pick in the 11th to 20th range. It is a great asset but it isn't some kind holy grail that should only be dealt for a top10 player. If there is a player Spurs like, they shouldn't hesitate to trade this pick. Spurs could always add a top4 protection on it to cover something crazy happening during the lottery.

Saying that, using the 2025 Hawks first round pick (even top4 protected) to move up from #4 to #1 today would still suck.

Exactly, I had it the same about the crap teams in the east

[Ariel]

A consequence of the Bridges trade for Spurs is that it negatively impact the 2025 Hawks first round pick.

Nets, Pistons, Wizards and Hornets all should be damn bad next season and they might be joined Raptors and Bulls. Even if Hawks struggle and have injuries, they should win less than 30 games next year.

Hawks 2025 first round pick well be at, let's say, 80% a mid first round pick in the 11th to 20th range. It is a great asset but it isn't some kind holy grail that should only be dealt for a top10 player. If there is a player Spurs like, they shouldn't hesitate to trade this pick. Spurs could always add a top4 protection on it to cover something crazy happening during the lottery.

Saying that, using the 2025 Hawks first round pick (even top4 protected) to move up from #4 to #1 today would still suck.

Forgot about and Portland and Utah. Brooklyn, Detroit, Washington, Charlotte and Portland will clearly be tanking, with Chicago, Utah and Toronto also being in the bottom 10. Atlanta comes in after this group, Spurs range should be 9/10 and Atlanta probably 9-14, but they can add up to the same top 4 chance as a worse team (say, 9+10 ~ 7). Spurs should probably settle for that, there will be almost as much compe ion for the tank as there will be for the le, and with Wemby improving plus (hopefully) a couple good picks, Spurs won't be able to get a much better seed than 9/10 IMO.

[DAF86]

They’re going to be complete next year and Houston controls their picks lol

Rockets fans getting blue-balled.

[baseline bum]

WTF are the Rockets doing? If they're about winning now they could have easily beat the Knicks offer by giving the Nets their picks back. If they're not about winning right now what are they doing giving away that 25 unprotected swap and 26 unprotected pick in stacked drafts? So they can hope like the Suns are ready to move from Booker at the deadline? I don't get it at all unless they know Durant is going to ask for a trade again. If the Rockets don't have rock solid intel that Durant will force a trade to Houston this move is beyond moronic.

[DPG21920]

A consequence of the Bridges trade for Spurs is that it negatively impact the 2025 Hawks first round pick.

Nets, Pistons, Wizards and Hornets all should be damn bad next season and they might be joined Raptors and Bulls. Even if Hawks struggle and have injuries, they should win more than 30 games next year.

Hawks 2025 first round pick well be at, let's say, 80% a mid first round pick in the 11th to 20th range. It is a great asset but it isn't some kind holy grail that should only be dealt for a top10 player. If there is a player Spurs like, they shouldn't hesitate to trade this pick. Spurs could always add a top4 protection on it to cover something crazy happening during the lottery.

Saying that, using the 2025 Hawks first round pick (even top4 protected) to move up from #4 to #1 today would still suck.

I would only trade ATL 25 for pick 1 straight up. Spurs keep 4 and 8.

[DPG21920]

WTF are the Rockets doing? If they're about winning now they could have easily beat the Knicks offer by giving the Nets their picks back. If they're not about winning right now what are they doing giving away that 25 unprotected swap and 26 unprotected pick in stacked drafts? So they can hope like the Suns are ready to move from Booker at the deadline? I don't get it at all unless they know Durant is going to ask for a trade again. If the Rockets don't have rock solid intel that Durant will force a trade to Houston this move is beyond moronic.

BKY would not have done the deal with NY if HOU didnt agree. HOU understood that if they didn’t do this deal that BKY would have kept Bridges and added to their team and pushed for play in etc and odds of them getting a great pick would be somewhat diminished (like spurs with ATL if they dont blow it up).

But the deal doesnt happen with NY unless HOU was in.

[DPG21920]

What I'm saying is that this doesn't seem to be the market for spending wisely. It seems to be the market for taking advantage of teams spending unwisely.

If anything, I think the Spurs might have a buyer's advantage at the deadline when so few teams have firsts they can offer. Otherwise, I see the Spurs' buyer future connected more to their ability to leverage value out of the Hawks (either through a trade similar to the HOU/BRK one today or through being the third team in a Murray or Young deal as I suggested in my first mock off-season). Otherwise, THEY'RE the team paying the premium for lesser stars, and they absolutely shouldn't be doing that.

Ya I think you have a great read on the situation. Spurs are not good enough yet to take wild swings and give up all the extra capital on one guy yet. It doesnt make sense unless it’s someone young that truly fits next to Wemby with a timeline of 8+ years and has superstar quality (Cade, not Trae).

I do think there’s opportunities for trades using some picks like CHA, CHI, 2nds and even an ATL pick like 25 (for a really good player) but overall, they should just be looking for value still IMO.