2024 NBA Off-Season Thread (FA, Trades, Extensions, Rumors)

[quentin_compson]

Are the Knicks trying to emulate the Celtics' roster construction with the Brigdes trade? If so, I don't know if that is such a great idea for them. Their biggest problem in the 2024 Playoffs (besides running out of healthy players Thibs trusted enough to give minutes to) was not having someone other than Brunson who can create high level offense for themselves and/or others. Does Bridges really move the needle on that front? I very much doubt it.
To me, the Knicks certainly got better with this trade, but not that much closer to being a true contender. But well, we'll have to see what might still happen with OG, Randle, and Hartenstein.

[JPB]

They're going to have to send a bunch of their first round picks if they want a star, not the lowball wish offers the people on this site thinks up.

Yup, that's what I've modestly trying to say several times in this thread, when I see some trade ideas... You just can't have even borderline all star/ elite role players at a decent price nowadays, no matter how you wait or because of their contractual situation. And the value of FRPs have decreased compared to proven talent.

That's the reality of the market today. Spurs are not the only team in the NBA wanting/needing to upgrade. There's always will be someone else ready to put a huge offer for those players if they believe that'll make them closer to contend. and this is a good move for the Knicks if you ask me (not like we're talking about a bunch of future top 5-10 picks). They had to boost their package because other teams were reportedly making big offers too for Bridges, notably Utah (which could indicate they don't wanna tank and want to renew Lauri (who by the way would cost a haul too).

[tbdog]

Are the Knicks trying to emulate the Celtics' roster construction with the Brigdes trade? If so, I don't know if that is such a great idea for them. Their biggest problem in the 2024 Playoffs (besides running out of healthy players Thibs trusted enough to give minutes to) was not having someone other than Brunson who can create high level offense for themselves and/or others. Does Bridges really move the needle on that front? I very much doubt it.
To me, the Knicks certainly got better with this trade, but not that much closer to being a true contender. But well, we'll have to see what might still happen with OG, Randle, and Hartenstein.

They are more like trying to build a team to beat the Celtics.

[tbdog]

Ya I think you have a great read on the situation. Spurs are not good enough yet to take wild swings and give up all the extra capital on one guy yet. It doesnt make sense unless it’s someone young that truly fits next to Wemby with a timeline of 8+ years and has superstar quality (Cade, not Trae).

I do think there’s opportunities for trades using some picks like CHA, CHI, 2nds and even an ATL pick like 25 (for a really good player) but overall, they should just be looking for value still IMO.

Spurs offer pistons that Knicks deal for Cade. Do the pistons accept?

[Pauleta14]

they want the corpse of KD

KD wouldn't have to carry a huge role in Houston tho, he'd be a great mentor for their youngsters

I hate it as a Spurs fan

[Dejounte]

KD wouldn't have to carry a huge role in Houston tho, he'd be a great mentor for their youngsters

I hate it as a Spurs fan

Let them hit their peak early rather than them having the chance to become any sort of a juggernaut for a decade like the Nuggets or Celtics are bound to be. Any Durant led team is always short-lived. We have seen this show before.

[Ariel]

Let them hit their peak early rather than them having the chance to become any sort of a juggernaut for a decade like the Nuggets or Celtics are bound to be. Any Durant led team is always short-lived. We have seen this show before.

Best thing that could happen to the Spurs tbh

[Pauleta14]

Let them hit their peak early rather than them having the chance to become any sort of a juggernaut for a decade like the Nuggets or Celtics are bound to be. Any Durant led team is always short-lived. We have seen this show before.

Let's hope but they have Ime this time.

[LeBowen]

Are the Knicks trying to emulate the Celtics' roster construction with the Brigdes trade? If so, I don't know if that is such a great idea for them. Their biggest problem in the 2024 Playoffs (besides running out of healthy players Thibs trusted enough to give minutes to) was not having someone other than Brunson who can create high level offense for themselves and/or others. Does Bridges really move the needle on that front? I very much doubt it.
To me, the Knicks certainly got better with this trade, but not that much closer to being a true contender. But well, we'll have to see what might still happen with OG, Randle, and Hartenstein.

You're spot on with the lack of creators.
Since they're going to offer the max to OG, I'd expect to be in the market for some depth with Randle going the other way.
They can trade #24 pick from today's draft, one they got for Porzingis. They have #24 and #25 picks, #25 is their own.

Still, giving up so much for Bridges is beyond ridiculous, especially giving up picks 7 years down the line when current core will be ~35 years old.
I'd say the league should prevent picks so far in the future from being traded. Make it 5 years instead of 7.
Classic case of a GM not caring about picks so far in the future because he knows he most likely won't be there.

As for the Celtics, a nice comparison:

Knicks gave up 4 unprotected 1sts, a protected 1st, an unprotected pick swap, a 2nd-rounder, and Bojan Bogdanovic for Mikal Bridges.

Celtics got White, Holiday, Kristaps AND a 1st rd pick for two 1sts, a 2nd, a pick swap, Brogdon, Rob, Marcus, Galo, Romeo, Richardson & Muscala.

What do Celtics acquisitions have in common?
They were somewhat unwanted by their teams.
Have to find the right players to go for when their trade value is low.

Tbh, this is also somewhat smart by the Knicks when it comes to immediate future.
They ruined the market again, meaning none of their Eastern compe ors can get a fair price anymore.
Sixers, Heat, Bucks, Cavs, Magic all want to make some moves, but if the market is skewed in favor of sellers, it's going to be really hard to pull off at a fair price.

Also, with this, our dream of getting Markkanen is dead unless it comes to the deadline, which probably won't happen.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Well NY have certainly blown the trade market valuations but the Brooklyn and Houston deal might be the more important one.

Windhorst, in his last podcast, has insinuated that Atlanta may be another team to look to get their pick equity back. If the market is set so high, and the projected value of these picks being lower due to Brooklyn blowing it up, then it might just be the right time for the Spurs to extract the max that they can from Atlanta’s desperation to control their destiny. How this would look like I don’t know and I’m not a Trae fan in the slightest but he’d definitely be more valuable than a couple of 10-14 type picks in ‘25 and ‘26.

[r0drig0lac]

[Mr. Body]

Well NY have certainly blown the trade market valuations but the Brooklyn and Houston deal might be the more important one.

Windhorst, in his last podcast, has insinuated that Atlanta may be another team to look to get their pick equity back. If the market is set so high, and the projected value of these picks being lower due to Brooklyn blowing it up, then it might just be the right time for the Spurs to extract the max that they can from Atlanta’s desperation to control their destiny. How this would look like I don’t know and I’m not a Trae fan in the slightest but he’d definitely be more valuable than a couple of 10-14 type picks in ‘25 and ‘26.

My feeling is the team sees Trae as net negative in terms of salary, style of play, deficiencies, and personality.

[DPG21920]

Spurs offer pistons that Knicks deal for Cade. Do the pistons accept?

Honestly - I dont think so unfortunately. But I would offer all the ATL picks without hesitation to land Cade.

[DPG21920]

Well NY have certainly blown the trade market valuations but the Brooklyn and Houston deal might be the more important one.

Windhorst, in his last podcast, has insinuated that Atlanta may be another team to look to get their pick equity back. If the market is set so high, and the projected value of these picks being lower due to Brooklyn blowing it up, then it might just be the right time for the Spurs to extract the max that they can from Atlanta’s desperation to control their destiny. How this would look like I don’t know and I’m not a Trae fan in the slightest but he’d definitely be more valuable than a couple of 10-14 type picks in ‘25 and ‘26.

Agree. I would LOVE for SA to get a HOU type deal. Give all of ATL picks back for similar valued picks + 2 additional? Ya I am in on that for sure. Not sure ATL front office can find such a perfect setup like that unless they work with UTA? UTA is the one team I can see (OKC has volume of picks, but do they have the quality that UTA picks have?) that can maybe do something like this.

[DPG21920]

And no way I trade pick 8 for Cam in a situation with his salary/age. He’s a good player and I think a very good fit for SA, but nothing close to pick 8.

I can see a 3 way deal though:

Spurs Get: Cam Johnson

BKY Gets: Graham + Collins + Pick 21 + 2 2nd Round Picks

NO: 4 2nd Round Picks

Something like that.

[LeBowen]

Agree. I would LOVE for SA to get a HOU type deal. Give all of ATL picks back for similar valued picks + 2 additional? Ya I am in on that for sure. Not sure ATL front office can find such a perfect setup like that unless they work with UTA? UTA is the one team I can see (OKC has volume of picks, but do they have the quality that UTA picks have?) that can maybe do something like this.

I wouldn't do it unless those picks are in '25-'27 drafts, which won't happen.
We need to have as much draft assets as possible in the next few years to establish a team around Wemby, those picks are way more valuable to us than picks 5+ years down the line.
Right now Hawks are easily the worst team in the league that doesn't own their picks.
Suns, Clippers and Lakers might implode, but teams that are worse than the Hawks as of now, all own their picks.
If we're going the draft route, we don't trade those picks.

If we can get a legit #2 for Wemby, I'd consider it.
But there are no teams with young all-star players available that would be interested in Trae.

[r0drig0lac]

Wiggins? maybe Keldon + any late pick?

[Seventyniner]

The Warriors own all their own firsts from 2025 to 2029, though they can't trade the 2029 pick because they own their 2030 first to the Wizards. The most they could trade away is either 2025 and 2027 or 2026 and 2028, plus swaps in the other years.

Wiggins is under contract for three more years for 26/28/30M. Getting rid of him would be mostly a salary dump; he isn't worth his contract. I don't know how many draft assets the Warriors are willing to sacrifice but they are probably trying to compete this year.

[ginobilized]

What is Houston trying to pull off?
Booker or Durant trade?
Will PHX get pick 3? If so, who will they select?
How might this impact the Spurs?
I'd love to hear the ST theories before tonight unfolds.

[djohn2oo8]

What is Houston trying to pull off?
Booker or Durant trade?
Will PHX get pick 3? If so, who will they select?
How might this impact the Spurs?
I'd love to hear the ST theories before tonight unfolds.

Stephen A just said on First Take, that the Suns want to trade KD right now. Also, Houston prefers acquiring Booker over KD. Ime may want KD, but the FO wants Booker.

[djohn2oo8]

[SpursFan86]

Stephen A just said on First Take, that the Suns want to trade KD right now. Also, Houston prefers acquiring Booker over KD. Ime may want KD, but the FO wants Booker.

Yeah if I’m Houston I don’t see how KD makes sense given their timeline. Surely no one thinks that adding KD and removing Sengun would turn Houston into a contender. Booker at least fits the timeline of their other core pieces.

[RC_Drunkford]

always good when the Rockets do idiotic things to win now while Spurs and OKC are trying to build a dynasty. I hope they trade for oldass KD so they can make the playoffs for 2 years

[djohn2oo8]

always good when the Rockets do idiotic things to win now while Spurs and OKC are trying to build a dynasty. I hope they trade for oldass KD so they can make the playoffs for 2 years

Brother, you have maybe 2 years to get a team around Wemby.

[exstatic]

And no way I trade pick 8 for Cam in a situation with his salary/age. He’s a good player and I think a very good fit for SA, but nothing close to pick 8.

I can see a 3 way deal though:

Spurs Get: Cam Johnson

BKY Gets: Graham + Collins + Pick 21 + 2 2nd Round Picks

NO: 4 2nd Round Picks

Something like that.

How can you say that Cam Johnson is either too old, or on a bad contract? He’s 28, and a big forward who can shoot, and has deep playoff experience, where he also shot well. His contract averages about $22M, and has 3 years of team control. , I’d trade both picks in this crap draft, and maybe throw in the fake Charlotte first for him. He’s literally exactly what you’re looking for Risacher or Salaun to become, without the risk, since he’s there already.