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    It's not their character at all. They build through the draft.

    We need to accept that their strategy is to put big bundles of resources out in the wilderness down the way. That's what this is. They're giving a shot of having a lottery pick or two when their own picks are in the late 20s.
    That's not a strategy, that's just being a coward.

    I'm to scared to make a decision so I am just going to kick the can down the road and hope for the best.

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    Does not seem like a tanking move to me at all. They’re stacking assets to put themselves in a position to make a big move at some point. Dilly was unlikely to have much of a positive impact on the Spurs this year.

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    Wright gets asked about trading the 8th pick at 5:17 mark.

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    Wright gets asked about trading the 8th pick at 5:17 mark.
    Lol, dude punted the question down the line just like he did the pick

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    It’s funny. All this time, I was adamantly opposed to the idea of trading 4 and 8 to Atlanta for #1. But now in hindsight, that doesn’t look like such a bad idea.

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    Does not seem like a tanking move to me at all. They’re stacking assets to put themselves in a position to make a big move at some point. Dilly was unlikely to have much of a positive impact on the Spurs this year.
    Spurs need to develop a core first before going for a big move.

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    My brain basically exploded inside my skull from the sure implication of that.
    “We’ve got some great young talent” ??? Are you sure about that? I really hope this was just some BSing

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    Spurs need to develop a core first before going for a big move.
    Yes, but the core doesn’t need to come from the draft. That is actually not the best approach when you’ve got an advanced talent like wemby. The potentially worrisome part is if they think the young guys they currently have are good. I really hope that’s not the case.

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    Yes, but the core doesn’t need to come from the draft. That is actually not the best approach when you’ve got an advanced talent like wemby. The potentially worrisome part is if they think the young guys they currently have are good. I really hope that’s not the case.
    It does need to come from the draft but I do agree the timeframe may be shortened. If you spend in free agency, you need to get vets, but is there a star out there willing to come? If you go that route by trade, it is going to require not just picks but possibly Castle in a deal if you want a star.

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    It’s funny. All this time, I was adamantly opposed to the idea of trading 4 and 8 to Atlanta for #1. But now in hindsight, that doesn’t look like such a bad idea.
    Nah this is better.

    Castle is a better player on better pay scale plus eliminating a second premium payscale salary for a player at 8 that's probably a 12-14 in next years (or basically any even standard draft)

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    Probably not that specific, no. He leaves because he has no faith the FO can or intends to help him
    this sentiment is being brought up because...? The Spurs are just starting Year 2 of the Wembanyama era. Has the offseason wrapped up to conclude the front office doesn't intend to help him? Struggling to think why some folks are jumping off cliffs this early.

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    It’s funny. All this time, I was adamantly opposed to the idea of trading 4 and 8 to Atlanta for #1. But now in hindsight, that doesn’t look like such a bad idea.
    100%

    If they were going to manage things so badly they should have gotten #1, and either Risacher or Shepperd would have been preferable to the mess they're now in

    That's why I have returned to the opinion of trading away their Atlanta picks now and getting Young or at least some player of merit: because left to their own devices they're they'll screw the draft picks up anyway

    AT least with a trade it they get an all-star, they can trust in the wisdom of others declaring that player an all-star instead of relying on their own sad judgement

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    It’s funny. All this time, I was adamantly opposed to the idea of trading 4 and 8 to Atlanta for #1. But now in hindsight, that doesn’t look like such a bad idea.
    pov: you are a sniffer

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    Or Wemby could be a laker by then
    More likely Ant tbh…..

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    OKC traded to get my guy. I hate that Dillon Jones is going to the Thunder.

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    For me, the most consequential part of the deal was the fact that they traded out of #8 at all. It means that the front office had Dillingham, Buzelis, Williams, Carter, Knecht, Topić, etc, for the taking, and they decided that none of them were worth a roster spot.

    It means all those reports about one or the other having positive workouts and the Spurs being interested were smokescreens and that the front office didn’t like any of them enough to use a draft pick on them.

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    Fine to disagree. I'd say your approach places too heavy an emphasis upon landing the home run swings and undervalues what you can get from a role player. It's very much a Financial Derivative or even a DFS or Poker Tournament Game Theory kind of mindset where upon the goal is to finish first in a big pool to win the top prize, not to finish a third of the way in the money. That works in those sorts of environments because of the payout structure, but in the NBA you still need talented players to surround those Top 15 talents with. And in this case, the Spurs will already have one Top 15 talent by 2031, and they better already have their second star... otherwise we'll certainly have a disgruntled Wemby.

    Long story short, I don't think winner-take-all game theory mentality makes sense or is smart in NBA roster construction, and that's what makes these long shot bets bad asset management.
    Fair enough, I see the dividing points here. I'll just leave with this thought - a top 3 finish is worthless. Only a top 1 finish matters in the NBA. I would agree with you if teams and players legacies are valued by top 3 finishes, but that simply is not the case. Sure, you can exploit market inefficiencies by valuing a top 3 finish and then buying assets that are better for top 3 finishes than top 1 finishes (fundamentally flawed stars like DeRozen or extremely good role players that are undersized, flawed in one key critical aspect that's exploitable by other championship teams), but given the assets we have now and their top end outcome trajectory, anything less than building for multiple top 1 finishes would be an extreme waste of assets and effort.

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    Barring an injury to Wemby, the Spurs will be close to a .500 team next year, with a legitimate shot at making the playoffs.
    As currently constructed I don't see anything better than a 25-30 win non playoff team.

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    We're running it back + Castle

    We like what we have
    How many additional wins is Castle good for, bro? Cause we're gonna need about 25 extra compared to last season to be a play-in team.

    THIS is what we were tanking for!

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    For me, the most consequential part of the deal was the fact that they traded out of #8 at all. It means that the front office had Dillingham, Buzelis, Williams, Carter, Knecht, Topić, etc, for the taking, and they decided that none of them were worth a roster spot.

    It means all those reports about one or the other having positive workouts and the Spurs being interested were smokescreens and that the front office didn’t like any of them enough to use a draft pick on them.
    If you want my honest opinion, it's simply the salary cost. The Spurs ownership, not necessarily PATFO, want to run it back and keep as far below the cap while meeting the floor as possible. They didn't think Dilly and Castle + running it back would make the playin or perhaps, their goal was truly playoffs projection before they're willing to spend money. I'm only a layman on the financial side but I've read a lot of posts here from people I would call at least informed on the cap side, and that seems to be the gist of things.

    2024-25 is already a wash in the minds of the ownership who are leading this franchise. They know got their yes-men in Pop and co. who will say or do anything and then gaslight us about it being a process. trading the 8th pick for 2 firsts in 7 years isn't planning ahead, it's not even punting. It's just a cost cutting measure.

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    Yeah, I just don't see what they're thinking. Unless of course they think all those SRPs mean a thing.
    My guess is ac ulating assets to trade for a star in a year or two while keeping the 2025 picks.

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    Shut the up you dumb hillbilly savage
    Hahaha......awesome retort.

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    My guess is ac ulating assets to trade for a star in a year or two while keeping the 2025 picks.
    Well know soon enough.

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    Well know soon enough.
    Not that soon since I doubt they're willing to give up their 25 picks.

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    Jake Fischer tweeted that the spurs have been trying to get guys at pick 35 to agree to a 2 way contract… lol

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