You Son of a , I'm --- Wait, What??

[Splits]

It doesn't matter what the situation will be in 2030, it matters what it looks like it'll be. Spurs are almost certainly not going to be the ones making the pick for themselves, it'll be traded at some point. Now, if in a couple of years Minnesota's team is dismantled due to excessive tax, that pick will look super juicy for a trade similar to what NY and Brooklyn did.

lmao FRPs and swaps 7 years in the future are nonsense sweeteners. Value comes from the right here right now. Trading #8 now for some bull in the 2030s is like freezing a porkchop and expecting the holocaust will cause the elimination of pigs will drive up its value when you defrost it in a decade. It's ludicrous.

[heyheymymy]

I gotta concede the murkiness of what a 2030 landscape might be in the NBA or with MIN but the point is that it's a bet on rain with very cloudy skies in twin cities and that's as good as it gets. From there the chips fall where they may and no guarantees.

Maybe the clouds pass. That's always a risk. But I'll bet on gray skies over blue ones and I like what the Spurs have targeted in futures with BOS, DAL and MIN even as mighty as they stand currently. But , SA was a year too early on the ATL #1 lol so maybe they aren't the downtrend weathermen we hope they may be.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

lmao FRPs and swaps 7 years in the future are nonsense sweeteners. Value comes from the right here right now. Trading #8 now for some bull in the 2030s is like freezing a porkchop and expecting the holocaust will cause the elimination of pigs will drive up its value when you defrost it in a decade. It's ludicrous.

I mean we just saw two big trades, where far out FRPs and swaps were the best commodity - BKN's value isn't in NY's '25 and '27 firsts, because they'll have all the good players under contract, but in '29 and '31. Houston returned BKN's '25 and '26 for far out Suns picks in order to position themselves for when PHX 's team crumbles.

How you can call these 'nonsense sweeteners' when we just saw those two trades in the last 24 hours I don't know but each to their own I guess.

[scott]

I gotta concede the murkiness of what a 2030 landscape might be in the NBA or with MIN but the point is that it's a bet on rain with very cloudy skies in twin cities and that's as good as it gets. From there the chips fall where they may and no guarantees.

Maybe the clouds pass. That's always a risk. But I'll bet on gray skies over blue ones and I like what the Spurs have targeted in futures with BOS, DAL and MIN even as mighty as they stand currently. But , SA was a year too early on the ATL #1 lol so maybe they aren't the downtrend weathermen we hope they may be.

To use your analogy... it's a torrential downpour here in San Antonio and you just passed your umbrella to Minnesota in case in rains in 7 years.

[djohn2oo8]

I mean we just saw two big trades, where far out FRPs and swaps were the best commodity - BKN's value isn't in NY's '25 and '27 firsts, because they'll have all the good players under contract, but in '29 and '31. Houston returned BKN's '25 and '26 for far out Suns picks in order to position themselves for when PHX 's team crumbles.

How you can call these 'nonsense sweeteners' when we just saw those two trades in the last 24 hours I don't know but each to their own I guess.

Houston has decided on their core, and doesn’t need to keep drafting in the top 5 while still having to pay their players soon. So it makes sense to push draft picks out a bit. The Spurs have multiple holes to fill, and aren’t one draftee away from contention.

[heyheymymy]

Yeah a # 19 in 2024 didn't stop TOR from letting Siakam go or the 2026 1-4 which could be god knows what

And why would BKN accept 29s and 31s for Bridges don't the Nets know the sun could explode by then and we'd all be dead

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Houston has decided on their core, and doesn’t need to keep drafting in the top 5 while still having to pay their players soon. So it makes sense to push draft picks out a bit. The Spurs have multiple holes to fill, and aren’t one draftee away from contention.

I disagree that Houston has decided on their core - NY has, not Houston. That's why they wanted the Suns picks - because they see they need someone else, like a Durant, or a Booker in order to be more compe ive.

The Spurs have a lot holes, you're right, which is why they look to get future draft capital like all rebuilding teams do. If you think Dillingham on a rookie deal would have more value in a trade than an unprotected MIN pick and a swap, their fair enough, but I don't.

[scott]

I mean we just saw two big trades, where far out FRPs and swaps were the best commodity - BKN's value isn't in NY's '25 and '27 firsts, because they'll have all the good players under contract, but in '29 and '31. Houston returned BKN's '25 and '26 for far out Suns picks in order to position themselves for when PHX 's team crumbles.

How you can call these 'nonsense sweeteners' when we just saw those two trades in the last 24 hours I don't know but each to their own I guess.

I'm glad you brought up the BKN-HOU trade, because it's a good example.

The Rockets traded a 2025 FRP and a 2026 Swap for: a 2025 Swap, a 2027 FRP, a 2029 FRP and a 2029 swap.

So, they turned one pick and one swap into two picks and two swaps.

The Spurs, on the other hand, traded one FRP for one pick and one swap.

And, there is far less of a timing differential.

In other words, the Rockets got SIGNIFICANTLY more value than the Spurs did. Part of the reason they got more value is because BKN desperately need control over their next two drafts back... but, it illustrates how little value the Spurs got in this deal.

[heyheymymy]

To use your analogy... it's a torrential downpour here in San Antonio and you just passed your umbrella to Minnesota in case in rains in 7 years.

damn touche that made me think

okay but the umbrella we handed to MIN was so small and lightweight it will blow away in any real downpour anyway and what we got back in return may help build a permanent roof over our heads from the rain far better than the tiny umbrella half measure ever would've

[scott]

damn touche that made me think

okay but the umbrella we handed to MIN was so small and lightweight it will blow away in any real downpour anyway and what we got back in return may help build a permanent roof over our heads from the rain far better than the tiny umbrella half measure ever would've

Man, if we don't have a roof over our heads already by 2031... wtf are we doing?

[djohn2oo8]

I disagree that Houston has decided on their core - NY has, not Houston. That's why they wanted the Suns picks - because they see they need someone else, like a Durant, or a Booker in order to be more compe ive.

The Spurs have a lot holes, you're right, which is why they look to get future draft capital like all rebuilding teams do. If you think Dillingham on a rookie deal would have more value in a trade than an unprotected MIN pick and a swap, their fair enough, but I don't.

Sengun, Thompson, Eason, Jabari, and For the moment, Green. Include Cam Whitmore in there too, and now Reed. They have decided on their core because they did not trade for Durant.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I'm glad you brought up the BKN-HOU trade, because it's a good example.

The Rockets traded a 2025 FRP and a 2026 Swap for: a 2025 Swap, a 2027 FRP, a 2029 FRP and a 2029 swap.

So, they turned one pick and one swap into two picks and two swaps.

The Spurs, on the other hand, traded one FRP for one pick and one swap.

And, there is far less of a timing differential.

In other words, the Rockets got SIGNIFICANTLY more value than the Spurs did. Part of the reason they got more value is because BKN desperately need control over their next two drafts back... but, it illustrates how little value the Spurs got in this deal.

Context is completely different though. Houston held BKN's future hostage the same way we do Atlanta's. BKN, being on the precipice as a team, would naturally value their own picks a lot higher because it allows them to pick a direction and rebuild.

Spurs got an unprotected pick and a swap from a franchise that has been to the playoffs like 3 times in the last 30 years. MIN couldn't even offer more than that, even if they wanted, because they've already traded every pick they can. Not sure how you'd expect more value from it. I think it's pretty damn good.

[djohn2oo8]

I'm glad you brought up the BKN-HOU trade, because it's a good example.

The Rockets traded a 2025 FRP and a 2026 Swap for: a 2025 Swap, a 2027 FRP, a 2029 FRP and a 2029 swap.

So, they turned one pick and one swap into two picks and two swaps.

The Spurs, on the other hand, traded one FRP for one pick and one swap.

And, there is far less of a timing differential.

In other words, the Rockets got SIGNIFICANTLY more value than the Spurs did. Part of the reason they got more value is because BKN desperately need control over their next two drafts back... but, it illustrates how little value the Spurs got in this deal.

Yep

[heyheymymy]

Man, if we don't have a roof over our heads already by 2031... wtf are we doing?

a castle without a roof?

man god forbid. prob moving to Vegas lol

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Sengun, Thompson, Eason, Jabari, and For the moment, Green. Include Cam Whitmore in there too, and now Reed. They have decided on their core because they did not trade for Durant.

Come on lol be serious, this isn't the core they're going to contend with. They'll look to trade for a star in the next couple of years using some of these players, plus the picks they've acquired. Only then can you claim they've picked their core. NY just did it.

[scott]

Context is completely different though. Houston held BKN's future hostage the same way we do Atlanta's. BKN, being on the precipice as a team, would naturally value their own picks a lot higher because it allows them to pick a direction and rebuild.

Spurs got an unprotected pick and a swap from a franchise that has been to the playoffs like 3 times in the last 30 years. MIN couldn't even offer more than that, even if they wanted, because they've already traded every pick they can. Not sure how you'd expect more value from it. I think it's pretty damn good.

The fact MIN couldn't offer more is irrelevant to whether it was good value. You don't show up to the Ferrari dealership with $4000 bucks and they sell you a car because that's all you have.

Spurs got an unprotected pick... from a pick that was already number 8! And 7 years later! LOL, it's a ing JOKE on value.

[scott]

Come on lol be serious, this isn't the core they're going to contend with. They'll look to trade for a star in the next couple of years using some of these players, plus the picks they've acquired. Only then can you claim they've picked their core. NY just did it.

Rockets are light years ahead of where we are, with the assets to make a big move, and the balls to do so. It pains me to say that.

Also, the Rockets, didn't sell number 3 for a 2031 pick. They traded a 2025 pick for a 2027 pick and a 2029 pick. They DOUBLED the number of picks. We did a 1:1 with a 7 year gap. LOL to anyone trying to justify this.

[djohn2oo8]

Come on lol be serious, this isn't the core they're going to contend with. They'll look to trade for a star in the next couple of years using some of these players, plus the picks they've acquired. Only then can you claim they've picked their core. NY just did it.

Having a core of players means you aren’t trading those players. Sengun is likely an all star next year. Thompson, another possible, and is in no way getting traded. Whitmore and Eason may both be up for MIP. They will only make a trade if someone like Booker becomes available. Or sign someone.

[heyheymymy]

I figure the Spurs probably look at the 7 year delay as a feature not a bug

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I figure the Spurs probably look at the 7 year delay as a feature not a bug

Of course they did. And it helps this team, the one going on now 5 seasons under .500 in a row, win how?

That's the point. I'd almost rather it be just stupidity than planned.

[heyheymymy]

It potentially helps them win later not now

that's what sucks about it

[SpursGenius]

I'm glad you brought up the BKN-HOU trade, because it's a good example.

The Rockets traded a 2025 FRP and a 2026 Swap for: a 2025 Swap, a 2027 FRP, a 2029 FRP and a 2029 swap.

So, they turned one pick and one swap into two picks and two swaps.

The Spurs, on the other hand, traded one FRP for one pick and one swap.

And, there is far less of a timing differential.

In other words, the Rockets got SIGNIFICANTLY more value than the Spurs did. Part of the reason they got more value is because BKN desperately need control over their next two drafts back... but, it illustrates how little value the Spurs got in this deal.

Spurs might have actually lost value. Dilly hits, KAT will still be only 33 in 2030, Edwards 27. There is no way they will fall in the top 10. PATFO are heads.

[T Park]

You mouth breathers keep treating these picks like “they want players in those years”

Rather than assets to use in other moves.

You don’t kick a lottery pick down the road like that if you’re not planning on spending the cap space you didn’t just save on new players.

They now have 26 million in cap space and they have their eyes on guys.


We’ll see if it works out, but for everyone e that thinks this is a cheap sell, that’s the best offer they got. That’s how crsp all the teams thought of this draft.

[SouthernFryd]

I get the freeing of cap space for other moves. But, trading a number 8 for picks 7 years away the best they could get? I don't get that.

[objective]

Spurs are convinced they're smarter than everyone else, and a lot of posters here agree with them. They probably still think Primo was 100% the right pick and it was only bad luck with off court stuff that ruined things for the remarkably slow Primo

By trading away from 8, regardless of if it was Dillingham or Williams or even Edey, Spurs declared no player could help this roster now or in the future, and taking a 2031 pick that could very well be last in the first round or just potential trade fodder would still be better. Every other team that took a pick from 8 onwards thinks they have a player that could help them, either now or later. Especially Minnesota who is trying to win a le. And those teams are all stupider than the Spurs, who know better than everyone else.