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Wonder what the spurs free agency plans will be? They have to add some shooting.
“When stars are put on the trading block, teams typically want unprotected picks in return. That’s the currency in today’s NBA when going star hunting. Getting another one is a big deal for the Spurs.“
“Obviously, we won’t be able to truly judge this trade for years. My only hesitancy is the conservative nature of the front office. Will the front office ever have the cojones to go star hunting? We’ll see.”
Uhhhh
Wonder what the spurs free agency plans will be? They have to add some shooting.
You got it immediately? You were sitting home pumping your fists at the prospect of those 2030 picks? I wish I could be as smart as you bro, something tells me you would have "got" any move they made
so the whole story about the traded #8 pick is not told yet.
so I speculate......
there is a trade on the table for Garland. (you don't pick Dillingham, if you bring in Garland, right?)
looking at this is makes a lot of sense. Cavs have shipped out most of it's future draft capital to Utah.
Spurs can give them some and on top of this, they could design a package, that fit's well with the holes in the Cavs draft pick calender.
The dark underbelly to this trade is the seeming assessment (backed up by Brian’s comments) that we “have a talented young group together already”
It's frustrating to see players that could increase the rosters floor for wins not get selected with the 8th pick. I like dilly but my gut reaction is that he will not pan out in this league. But getting value with someone like Knect or Carter (as examples) and seeing them be a net positive and used as a future trade for something better am wondering how that isn't equally as valuable before their rookie contract / extension expires in the immediate future.
I like the unprotected pick, the pick swap adds a bit more security with the other swap. But I don't love it.
I really hope Castle's shooting shows marked improvement because then we are just a few pieces away from being a playoff contender.
Need free agency to start so the rest of the pieces for the NBA season fall into place.
5 years from now Karl Anthony towns will be 34. Rudy Gobert will be 37. Timberwolves have very few avenues to build around Anthony Edwards. They have no draft picks to trade. Will have no cap space. Minnesota is not exactly a free agent destination. Even if Anthony Edwards signs another extension timberwolves at best could be on mediocracy treadmill come 2030. Imagine the spurs being able to move up from 30 to 17 in 2030. Then getting another pick on the teens in 2031. Now imagine Edwards leaves Minnesota. I wasn’t super pumped about the trade but I understand it
The main takeaways here are that
-The Spurs had Castle in a higher tier than Salaun, Holland, Clingan
-they POTENTIALLY had one or multiple of Salaun, Holland, and Clingan in a higher tier than everyone who was selected after 7: Dillingham, Buzelis, Knecht, Topic, Carter, Cody, etc.
-whether the Spurs had Sarr, Reed, and Zacch in the same tier as Castle or higher… we will never know
Rough outline:
Tier 1 AND 2:
-Castle
-Sarr
-Risacher
-Reed
Tier 3 (one or two may belong in tier 4 or below, we will never know)
-Salaun
-Clingan
-Holland
Tier 4 and below
-Buzelis
-Dillingham
-Knecht
-Carter
-Cody Williams
Think he had to be a smokescreen too, wouldn't make sense that the Spurs would be so tight-lipped about Castle but then the whole world knows they're in love with Salaun. God I would have hated taking Salaun #8.
all this sniffing and coping
Just like OV said, they locked in on their guy and bailed when he was gone. But they're building through the draft am I right? Doesn't that mean being able to evaluate talent and make decisions on talent? Anyone can bail when the pick isn't there that you want and take a couple of picks that are completely dependent on a team that looks like a very good team for the foreseeable future becoming a bad team again.
You know what that sounds like to me? It sounds like either you don't know how to evaluate talent or you don't have the balls to take a player that could potentially be a good player for you. It's deciding to fail before you ever gave yourself a chance to succeed.
True. Maybe they were hoping Sheppard would've fallen, if that. I just don't think they were particularly thrilled about anyone in this draft outside of Castle, who they've been following for a hot minute now. Salaun has Livio Jean Charles written all over him, and Dillingham would've made Isiaiah Thomas look like 2014 Kawhi, defensively.
God I did not want Salaun, he was the worst case at 8. How you gonna have a 7'1" wingspan and little ass Reed Sheppard has 3x as many blocks as you in the same number of games?
Yeah Sheppard vs Castle would have been a tough choice had all the hype about Clingan at 3 been true.
right now the roster without Wemby is what they've cooked up. it was the league that cooked up Wemby to the Spurs.
the big question IMO is how much does ANT like Minnesota, cause if he bails after their window closes in a few years those picks could be amazing
They’re building through the draft but also stocking picks to make a future all in trade on a disgruntled star - which they’ve never done in their history. They prioritize process over outcome, with that process being punting on being held to the result of said process. They highly valued this draft but apparently are higher on a batch of upcoming 11 year olds. They have a bunch of mediocre guards and a hole at the wing so they loaded up on yet another guard. They needed shooting but drafted a non-shooter. They had the ability to add some shooting at 8, but went out of their way to avoid doing so.
Just like OV said, they locked in on their guy and bailed when he was gone. But they're building through the draft am I right? Doesn't that mean being able to evaluate talent and make decisions on talent? Anyone can bail when the pick isn't there that you want and take a couple of picks that are completely dependent on a team that looks like a very good team for the foreseeable future becoming a bad team again.
You know what that sounds like to me? It sounds like either you don't know how to evaluate talent or you don't have the balls to take a player that could potentially be a good player for you. It's deciding to fail before you ever gave yourself a chance to succeed.
That’s what inep ude looks like my dude.
100% agree timvp. Picking dilly would have pigeon holed us in getting a trey young type point guard, and after seeing the celtics provide a blueprint for what we should be aiming for to surround wemby, he wasnt the answer if you have dynasty aspirations. Buzelis was the only potential investment I saw available, but even watching just some highlights of him, any laymen can tell even he plays a bit awkward and would be a longshot at being the 3 and D player we need. Especially with what will be available next year.
Lastly, just look at what it took for the knicks to get BRIDGES! And people don’t think its going to cost an arm and a leg to get a legit #2 or even #3 next to wemby!? I know we as spurs fans aren’t used to losing, but patience is key. I can definitely see in two years from now when the team is finally looking respectable, these picks being used to get add a big piece to our puzzle.
The spurs needed a PG who can shoot and a SF who can shoot. Neither of which were addressed in the draft when the spurs could’ve had Dillingham, Knecht, Williams or topic. (I wanted Williams, ok with Knecht and Dillingham, zero interest in topic). Instead the spurs got a guard version of sochan (I like sochan and I like castle for the record).
At this point, the spurs HAVE to have a plan to get a PG, a SF either through FA or trades, and also hire a damn legion of shooting coaches.
The team can build the 8th wonder of the world with all those bricks.
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Can one imagine the meltdown here if we had to trade three young former #1 picks for nothing like the Rockets did last year? ������
The haul feels underwhelming but we didn’t get fleeced. This was a great yet risky move by Minny. For us it was an ok move but not bad. If anything it cures any roster crunch this year.
Whatever Castle is (i think he’s a PG), the Spurs won’t be putting more players on that same pipeline tbh
meaning he has a 3 year tryout and the Spurs won’t draft a point guard or whatever position he is in the next three years
This was a bad draft - people need to stop comparing the value the Spurs landed for the #8 pick to other drafts. I would much rather punt … yes the pick they get back could be #32 if Ant turns into MJ and we have teams in Seattle and Vegas. But Gobert will be gone by then, they have little draft capital, and stars push their way off teams. By the way, who is their owner? They don’t even seem to have money to close the deal to buy the team.
If the choices at 8 were seen as just okay rotation pieces, I’d rather roll the capital into the future. You free up cap space immediately to spend on a veteran which the team needs, and you either get to draft a cheap guy in the future when Wemby is on a super max deal and cap space is harder to come by. Or you can use it in a trade, where an unprotected pick (and your own pick that has a swap attached) is more valuable than the draft rights to Dillingham or someone else which not all teams value.
I would have preferred a trade that dumped a little salary in the process too. Jettison Collins for something less putrid contract wise. But they got what they viewed was the best offer on the table in a bad draft.
Traded who?
Have to think they were hoping a couple of players were gonna be there at 8 and it didn't happen. When they drafted Dilly I felt like it could have worked. You kind of had a second option if things didn't exactly pan out as expected. Also, what if Dilly ends up doing the same thing in the NBA he did in College with terrorizing defenses. Castle could have played a role of Combo guard and Dilly as an offensive spark. Who knows I guess they feel it would undermine Castle and his development. I still feel like that future pick is too far out. Gonna take a couple of years for that 1st round pick to gain any value if it does at all.
The only way this trade could make sense is if Spurs gonna use the added cap space for some serious off season move, otherwise it's like Spurs front office is the worst gambler in the casino
Glad you asked, because I was about to ask the same thing.
As for the draft, I really like Stephon Castle and what he brings (I'm a little worried about his shooting and really hope he improves there). I wanted defense, and we got it, as I just couldn't handle how bad the Spurs defense has been since TD retired and Kahwi left. Victor's defense is amazing, but he can't do it all, so great to see him get some help. If this is the road back to defense, I am liking the choice here.
I wasn't high on Dillingham, but when he was drafted to the Spurs, not gonna lie, I was really excited with the two picks, but then when he was traded after seeing him and his family all wearing Spurs caps, it really brought me right down.
I think the Spurs are looking at next year's draft and aren't looking to have a winning season this season, but if that is their plans, I'm not sure about it as Victor is just too good.
It was a good night in that the spurs added Castle and stayed away from the Kentucky guards and Salaun.
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