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Wdym? This forum is way more active when something bad is happening.
If I had to choose one to have a bigger impact right away and a bigger probability of sticking in the league, it would be Dilly, tbh.
Dilly's offense and shot making give him a pretty high chance of sticking at least as a microwave type player off the bench. If Castle doesn't develop his shot, he would be out of the league in 4 years. I'm preparing myself to be patient, expecting the first couple of months of Castle's career to be uuuugly, tbh.
Wdym? This forum is way more active when something bad is happening.
Did he really, in the draft thread? Lol
They could have trade up for Saluan with Detroit
Almost 0% of us fans liked the trade in the moment, it is an unsavory thing to have happen on live TV. IIRC, they did not even interview Dilly after he shook hands w/Silver?
Come on man, you are just disagreeing with the big board on the two players. The real issue is rostering TWO developmental projects, that is basically tanking which everyone wants to hold their nose about. You can't tank and not tank at the same time.
Yes. One of the threads. Either the draft or the front office sux thread.
Should have drafted Carter and made a commitment to defense as far as my preference, yet oddly Brian did not consult me on that.
Overall, I think this is not really about Dillingham specifically but another moment to ponder what the FO is doing. Yes they think long-term. I don't think they should go all in on any of the typical s. Yet there is a Grand Canyon-sized middle ground on how to improve the team. They say they want to win but sounds like a weird complicated situation like last year, like when Wemby keeps playing to win while Pop sits Sochan and Vassel.
Anyway, the 8 pick fell to us perfectly and there were ready role players ready to go. But they blinked.
On one hand yes it can be seen as a smart move looking long-term, but it's just more pressure or expectations, so to speak, for them actually to make some sort of move at some point.
The Spurs don’t have a history of being eager to provide continued access to people who are highly critical of the front office. LJ Ellis is not just some random guy with an Internet forum. The flip side of the insightful (free) content that comes as a result of his access is a certain amount of spin.
Whether Minnesota will be good 7 years from now is probably going to be a moot point. I really doubt the spurs ever make those picks. It seems obvious they are ac ulating picks to try to get a second star for Wemby. May not be this year or next but they are trying to get the draft capital to get someone eventually.
Im not saying it’s the right move or not. I would have preferred taking someone with the pick. We see a talent upgrade but I see their thought process.
As for Dilly, once he said in interviews that he didn’t always play hard on defense and didn’t always understand the schemes his team was running, I knew the Spurs dropped him off their board.
Also, crazy idea, but you can pick Dill and trade him down the road.
I mean, you're right in a technical sense, I won't deny it. But it's taking the thought out of context (and a bit misquoted). I apologize, let me clarify:
Dillingham OR Carter would have added more wins to this team, over distant draft picks (trade using those picks withstanding). I feel this is objective in the context of a thread about lottery draftees which assumes they get playing time and a chance to show they can contribute. MAYBE a lot more wins is my subjective opinion about Dillingham, though I bet Carter would have added a substantial number, too. Considering the Spurs should simply win more games with this core together for a season, I don't think this is very speculative or "subjective" at all. I understand if you disagree, and I see your side of the equation as well. I just don't think it's far fetched or unobjective to assume a lottery pick -yours or mine- on one of the worst teams in the League won't add wins. That's the idea of the lottery, after all, giving bad teams a shot at the best of the upcoming talent pool. But if you really think Dillingham is just going to suck terribly and not have added any wins at all to a bottom 4 team, I understand and I'll consider myself "subjective", though I think most would strongly disagree.
Carter and castle in the backcourt is shut down defense with great ball handling. Carter already shoots close to 40 percent 3 and can create off dribble with 42 inch vertical. Castle has a great shot as shown in combine and ft shooting. The three will come. I would have used Vassell as a 6th man or even moved him to three with Wemby Sochan manning up front D. That is a great defensive team with scoring upside as pups develop. Patfo has no vision. Plain and simple.
They were going to possibly crowd out a veteran with Dilly, from a few aspects like playing time, salary cap, who knows what. Not excuses I like to hear, but probably more pertinent than I want them to be also.
Link? I wasn't allowed to post during the draft and I didn't post after the draft.
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Hoping for the best tbh. If we can use the pick and pick swap as per of a trade package for a star player, I’ll be okay with it. If we actually plan on using it to draft somebody 7 years from now, it becomes a lot more questionable.
Still hope Dilly goes off on us though whenever we play them tbh.
WE WILL SEE.
Not even the top 1-2 picks in this draft are expected to add wins to the teams that drafted them, possibly the opposite. Wemby didn't even add any wins. This team building thing takes time, and as we have seen the draft picks are a total crap shoot. We have been burnt by numerous 1st round draft picks.
You can easily argue for or against keeping or trading away a draft pick for a veteran. A draft pick is like a coin flip or playing roulette, clearly the Spurs are wanting to enhance the veteran core which is badly needed. How many more 19 and 20 year old players do we really want to roster at a time?
Our team certainly underachieved with Wemby on the roster - no question there. I wouldn't blame Wemby, though, for last season's immense disappointment.
I'd have taken a trade which included a veteran readily at #8. If a trade does occur which includes these pick(s), I already reserved right to change my mind
That said, I'm in your camp - as long as we make a trade. If we're really gameplanning around draft day 2031, something's seriously amiss in the front office - at least, from a fan perspective where winning is all that counts. If it's the 2031 draft we want projects in, we've put the cart before the horse and losing while making money before winning.
In reality, I think the ownership did this as a cost saving move and we won't make any big trade. In that case, I'd have taken anybody - Dillingham, Carter, ing Topic - over sitting on our hands so they're some millions more asset-rich. But that's the reality, probably. Also, one final addendum, despite the ty season last year, I think with Wemby, we will always be on the cusp of greatness with the right roster moves so guys like Dillingham would have their floor raised playing with him and potentially be key parts where they weren't on other teams. It is what it is, we'll take that veteran anytime
if they become trade assets, cool. if they become extra first round picks during wemby's prime when the team is elite, cool. suddenly obsessing over an 8th round pick in the worst draft of all time is such a spursfan move. What, was there a player that was going to make the team suddenly a le contender?? Turned a 'peanuts' pick into an unprotected
I feel like a lot of people calling Rob a scrub haven't even seen the guy play. He came off the bench and was not a primary option for Calipari, so it's not like his college stats are padded. He's not the project pick some think, he'll contribute early and up to (and well beyond) 2030. It's fair to be concerned about his size but guys with his offensive skill don't grow on trees. Always helps to have a 6th man who can Light it up
Status quo and largely rolling out the same crummy team feels crummy, that's for sure. There are some differences though, that indicate we will clearly be better even with status quo. Once Wemby found his footing and moved to center, we became a different team. We could basically play any ragtag group (OK maybe Mamu is better than that) with Wemby and all of the sudden we were beating playoff teams down the stretch of the season and the blowouts losses were few and far between. These were teams that were playing for playoff position, not tanking, either.Our team certainly underachieved with Wemby on the roster - no question there. I wouldn't blame Wemby, though, for last season's immense disappointment.
I'd have taken a trade which included a veteran readily at #8. If a trade does occur which includes these pick(s), I already reserved right to change my mind
That said, I'm in your camp - as long as we make a trade. If we're really gameplanning around draft day 2031, something's seriously amiss in the front office - at least, from a fan perspective where winning is all that counts. If it's the 2031 draft we want projects in, we've put the cart before the horse and losing while making money before winning.
In reality, I think the ownership did this as a cost saving move and we won't make any big trade. In that case, I'd have taken anybody - Dillingham, Carter, ing Topic - over sitting on our hands so they're some millions more asset-rich. But that's the reality, probably. Also, one final addendum, despite the ty season last year, I think with Wemby, we will always be on the cusp of greatness with the right roster moves so guys like Dillingham would have their floor raised playing with him and potentially be key parts where they weren't on other teams. It is what it is, we'll take that veteran anytime
I probably am a little less oriented towards the team is light years from being a playoff team as most tend to think. I don't see us as a 22-win team at the end of last season. That same team, maybe it wins 30 games, maybe even more.
All we need is players that are not shooting below 30% from 3 and playing defense, and we probably are capable of shooting right to being a .500 team. Give us 35% 3 PT shooting with defense, we are possible a top 4-6 team in the West.
In fairness, most any team's fans would have been pissed to draft a potentially dynamic player at 8 and trade them for a pick 7 years away. We Spurs fans, like normal fans of other teams, like our shiny objects now, not in 7 years!
You know, I watch highlights and have to remind myself, these are highlights. I don't spend much time watching lowlights, but to act like Dilly had none, well that is the downside or unknown that is the crux of why we did not keep him.
Anyone looks awesome, in their highlights. That is why they are called highlights.
Few more thoughts:
-Yeah, pointing to the Dilly trade as proof that the Spurs are tanking doesn't make sense. The easiest/best way to tank is to rely on rookies.
-The Spurs got, what, like 70% of the value for the No. 8 pick that the Celtics gave up to acquire Jrue Holiday. That's pretty damn impressive if you think about it from that point of view. It looks underwhelming if you compare it to the Bridges trade but the Spurs basically got a package that you'd expect to get for trading a really good starter. , they got more for Dilly than they got for Derrick White.
-I really don't care about the 2031 aspect. As I wrote, I think it's more of a positive than anything. Minnesota's current core will mostly be aged out, they don't have much draft capital to build back up and their ownership situation will probably still be in litigation. When the Spurs go star-hunting, it'll be an attractive piece. When a team trades a star for 3/4/5 unprotected first round picks, the years those picks will convey typically isn't a main topic of conversation. Getting picks from various sources (Spurs, Hawks, Timberwolves, for example) would be more attractive than just getting picks from one source -- especially if that source has Wembanyama.
-I'm still trying to figure out the Salaun situation. The ankle injury sounded like a smokescreen but it looks like Salaun actually did work out with the Hornets ( https://x.com/hornetsreddit/status/1806335439365693832 ). I thought the Hornets workout was one that he supposedly missed due to his Spurs ankle injury. I gotta leave so someone do this homework for me. Thanks, bye.
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