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    This. It's almost like they just didn't want two top ten salary hits on second contracts hitting them at the same time they have just given Wemby the max the year before. I think this was solely a ownership call to stay cheap.
    I think you got it, but then lost it. The amount the Spurs pay this year won't change. If they didn't believe in a second lottery pick, this means they can pay for other players when they come due. It gives them flexibility, whether losing the player was good or not.

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    stopped reading when you can't figure out your vs. you're
    Their both the same, your and you're.

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    I do love the "PATFO thinks they're smarter than anyone else" mantra.

    Doesn't every executive group think this way?

    Is there a group out there who claims themselves to be dumber than most?

    This really seems like a money decision more than anything. Whether it's good or bad I guess depends on how much the ownership is going to spend in the future.
    i feel like it is more roster MGT on player development than $ but could be a combo. The funny part is that people think Dilly was a "win now" draft pick. I at least am more realistic than that.

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    Unless freeing cap space this summer was a key goal, current money doesn't seem to be the cause. They seem legitimately to value putting out the ability to get good young talent when the team is presumably going deep into the playoffs.

    They had 20 years of experience in how nearly impossible it is to get really good young players while you're contending. It nearly killed them off around 2010-2012 or so, when they pulled a magic trick and got Kawhi, and he could have easily not popped.

    What I see is a franchise that very much wants to put out treasure chests along the trail they plan to be on in the next eight to ten years. I now expect them to set out more care packages to themselves in the future here and there and when they can.

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    i feel like it is more roster MGT on player development than $ but could be a combo. The funny part is that people think Dilly was a "win now" draft pick. I at least am more realistic than that.
    What is a "win now" player though? He may not "help" Minny much bc they're already good. SA lost 60 games, anyone that can score like that instantly makes them at least somewhat better imo.

    We'll see. A lot of threads ima wanna revisit about halfway thru the season

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    Calm down. It really looks like ownership's maximizing profits while they can.
    thank god

    and here i was worried for nothing

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    What is a "win now" player though? He may not "help" Minny much bc they're already good. SA lost 60 games, anyone that can score like that instantly makes them at least somewhat better imo.

    We'll see. A lot of threads ima wanna revisit about halfway thru the season
    Wemby was break even. Most rookies are a net negative. DRob was different because he was older and the team was set and same with Duncan. Now we see the diff between when you have a team that is set or not, which is a large one which speaks to your point. MN can use him more than us at the moment.

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    Huge denial from the folks who don’t like the events that transpired last night. Do people really think Brian Wright has no backbone and is just a minion for an evil puppeteer within the org?
    nah, im always putting it all on wright. he's the GM, and if his job is performed poorly, he needs to go

    and if he's just a figurehead for pop/rc, then they should fire him anyway because he's not doing anything anyway to earn his pay

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    Unless freeing cap space this summer was a key goal, current money doesn't seem to be the cause. They seem legitimately to value putting out the ability to get good young talent when the team is presumably going deep into the playoffs.

    They had 20 years of experience in how nearly impossible it is to get really good young players while you're contending. It nearly killed them off around 2010-2012 or so, when they pulled a magic trick and got Kawhi, and he could have easily not popped.

    What I see is a franchise that very much wants to put out treasure chests along the trail they plan to be on in the next eight to ten years. I now expect them to set out more care packages to themselves in the future here and there and when they can.
    It's a good strategy if you think your core can win and all you need to do is keep replenishing it. Can this core or a similar one after the 2025 draft win a le or at least basically immediately contend for one by 27 or 28, so much so that we'll have been riding high by 2030 and actually NEED those picks to continue doing? Obviously, if we're trash in 2030 we'll have our own pick(s) to rely upon.

    Just saying, you don't forge a path using those treasure chests as the guides. They're powerups on the way, which won't be worth jack (except a reset button) if Wemby says I'm tired of sucking for 7 years and demands a trade. If we're just setting up Get Out of Jail free cards due to our inability to build a winning team before-hand, then we're putting the cart before the horse and ownership/money before winning. I don't want a reset button, I want 15+ years of Wemby or however long he can play at a high level. If that's really how it pans out, good. But there's no reason to assume, right now, we're even a playoff team with this core - much less making deep playoff runs year after year.

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    Their both the same, your and you're.
    WTF?

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    It's a good strategy if you think your core can win and all you need to do is keep replenishing it. Can this core or a similar one after the 2025 draft win a le or at least basically immediately contend for one by 27 or 28, so much so that we'll have been riding high by 2030 and actually NEED those picks to continue doing? Obviously, if we're trash in 2030 we'll have our own pick(s) to rely upon.

    Just saying, you don't forge a path using those treasure chests as the guides. They're powerups on the way, which won't be worth jack (except a reset button) if Wemby says I'm tired of sucking for 7 years and demands a trade. If we're just setting up Get Out of Jail free cards due to our inability to build a winning team before-hand, then we're putting the cart before the horse and ownership/money before winning. I don't want a reset button, I want 15+ years of Wemby or however long he can play at a high level. If that's really how it pans out, good. But there's no reason to assume, right now, we're even a playoff team with this core - much less making deep playoff runs year after year.
    As we continue to talk you down from the ledge, the wise move is to get a proven player not yet another draft pick flyer. If there was not an immediate deal available, punting was an acceptable option. If we just kept drafting players that turned into more of Sochan/Jones/Branham/Wesley, I am sure we would be seeing melt downs over that. There is certainly no guarantee that any of the picks in this draft were going to be can't miss guys. We need to make a trade for a veteran, Wright hinted something MAY be in the works, but at least they know what the possibilities are while are arm chair QBing it like we have all the answers (not).

    I'll add that bringing in lower cost new talent can be a good move down the road also. Thus, the Spurs may already have the draft capital they need to make the 1-2 critical additions they need, and are indeed playing the long time re the new apron rules yada yada.

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    Unproven player now vs extra ammo for a proven player down the line.

    Hmmm. Seems like an easy call.

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    As we continue to talk you down from the ledge, the wise move is to get a proven player not yet another draft pick flyer. If there was not an immediate deal available, punting was an acceptable option. If we just kept drafting players that turned into more of Sochan/Jones/Branham/Wesley, I am sure we would be seeing melt downs over that. There is certainly no guarantee that any of the picks in this draft were going to be can't miss guys. We need to make a trade for a veteran, Wright hinted something MAY be in the works, but at least they know what the possibilities are while are arm chair QBing it like we have all the answers (not).

    I'll add that bringing in lower cost new talent can be a good move down the road also. Thus, the Spurs may already have the draft capital they need to make the 1-2 critical additions they need, and are indeed playing the long time re the new apron rules yada yada.
    I'm not any ledge, I get it. I replied to you (think in another thread) that 8 is definitely worth the picks if they land us an elite or even great player. I just don't think it's as cut and dry as we're setting up special treasure chests for ourselves down the way. They could be reset buttons, they could be under-utilized, and even if Wemby is a Spur for lifer, a scenario where we're relying on how we traded up to the 2030 or 31 draft to be good sounds like mismanagement of the roster to me. Then again, everything absolutely could work out great. I'm on the fence not a ledge, until we actually acquire the veteran or player or asset that we traded these picks for, friend Knoxxx, that's all. If they're treasure chests, that will be absolutely genius. If theyre GOOJF cards to replace guys Wright and Pop and company said we were holding out to develop, I can't say I'm elated but we won't know until later.

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    thank god

    and here i was worried for nothing
    I know you hate hearing that but it is a business. Money moves are common in small markets. Spurfan should be used to it after 50 years.

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    Their both the same, your and you're.
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    I know you hate hearing that but it is a business. Money moves are common in small markets. Spurfan should be used to it after 50 years.
    do you have a rooting interest in the spurs basketball success, the holt's profit margins, or both?

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    do you have a rooting interest in the spurs basketball success, the holt's profit margins, or both?
    The former. Do you have a rooting interest in shooting the messenger?

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    I’m impressed by your ability to scout 11-year-olds.

    The issues with the Spurs’ front office are hubris and lack of accountability. They’re convinced they’re smarter than everybody else because of things that fell in their lap and moves they made 10-25 years ago, and ownership has complete trust in them regardless of results.
    BINGO

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    I'm not any ledge, I get it. I replied to you (think in another thread) that 8 is definitely worth the picks if they land us an elite or even great player. I just don't think it's as cut and dry as we're setting up special treasure chests for ourselves down the way. They could be reset buttons, they could be under-utilized, and even if Wemby is a Spur for lifer, a scenario where we're relying on how we traded up to the 2030 or 31 draft to be good sounds like mismanagement of the roster to me. Then again, everything absolutely could work out great. I'm on the fence not a ledge, until we actually acquire the veteran or player or asset that we traded these picks for, friend Knoxxx, that's all. If they're treasure chests, that will be absolutely genius. If theyre GOOJF cards to replace guys Wright and Pop and company said we were holding out to develop, I can't say I'm elated but we won't know until later.
    The ledge is just me being hyperbolic. Though I recall a certain well know poster who almost did jump over the 13 lost le, or at least was convincing that their life practically was ruined over it.

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    The former. Do you have a rooting interest in shooting the messenger?
    Is this another old married couple going at it?

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    Is this another old married couple going at it?
    Chock it up to frayed nerves caused by possible front office incompetence. I could have been either or both of them just now, lol.

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    The former. Do you have a rooting interest in shooting the messenger?
    nope

    a team specific forum seems to be an appropriate place to vent about poverty franchise antics

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