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Follow the bolded parts if you are too lazy to read 7 brief paragraphs, tbh.
Unless we trade for a young star player like a Cade Cunningham or a Lauri Markkanen (no Trae Young, nor Garland, please), the best the Spurs can do is just sit tight, develop internal growth and get a top pick in the supossedly stacked upcoming draft.
I've seen a lot of people, like my man Chinook, asking for the Spurs to get Paul George or Jimmy Butler, they are both ing 34 years old, what benefit can we possibly get from them? Miss out on a top pick in this upcoming draft for the chance to be a 2nd round exit in the playoffs for a couple of years and having to start all over again in 3 years when George or Butler retire? This doesn't sound smart to me, tbh.
I would have the same approach with free agents, tbh. Unless we get young pieces that can stick for longer, when we are really ready to contend, there's no reason to add a veteran for a couple of seasons to raise our floor and turn a #4 pick into a #12 pick, tbh.
I know we are all tired of sucking, but this is the smart thing to do. Everybody agrees we are lacking a #2 option, but the #2 option can't be 34 years old, nor a midget PG, adding such players would only stunt the process.
I'm not saying outright tank either. Keep an eye for opportunities to add young pieces that can help us for years down the road, when we are ready to compete. On the meantime, just keep developing our young players. See who is a long term piece, and who needs to move on.
Personally, I would start a lineup of Castle, Vassell, Keldon, Sochan and Wemby. Get Keldon's trade value back up and deal him at the trade deadline.
And who knows, maybe this group shows enough internal growth that we are actually decent by the mid point of next season, Maybe Castle is the , maybe Vassell takes his game to another level, maybe Sochan becomes a reliable shooter. Then you change the strategy and pivot into adding some help before the tradeline. Just don't make any offseason moves for no 30 year old to raise our floor from a top 5 pick to a mid teens one.
Follow the bolded parts if you are too lazy to read 7 brief paragraphs, tbh.
OP, this take is too rational and mature for SpursTalk. Don’t you know this is a place for ing and moaning only?
May as well just bold the entire thing, tbh. But I agree with you haha.
I've already been waiting 5 years manwhat's another year of suckage I guess
Looks like this is the plan, and it's not the worst. But it does suck in this moment, knowing our next season is likely forfeit. At least I can get on the Tank Crew (now - last season was not a tank) and not feel like I'm betraying my own common sense.
Yea sure...big moves after next season...you just wait and see.
I don't see players on the market or the Spurs wanting to make a move yet. There will probably be significant movement once again this summer, as decaying old teams and near-contenders are trying to keep from dying or push over the line. It's a flat landscape where Boston is very good but not invulnerable. We've already seen the Knicks make a major move.
We may see players like Brandon Ingram, Dejounte Murray, Paul George, and even Karl Anthony-Towns on the move. Probably Darius Garland.
I don't see big moves yet. They added a major piece in Castle and have some holes to fill. Maybe a veteran. Find shooters somewhere. Nothing massive at this point. Keep growing.
BTW, this is why the Dilly trade sucks major ass, tbh. He would have made another season of "internal growth" so much more fun and exciting.
the #8 spot in the NBA draft is a good place to start
A big swing like PG/Butler doesn't make sense obviously.
But a guy like Cam Johnson would be a really, really nice add to this team. He'd really help alleviate some of the fit issues that we'll have with Castle/Sochan in the SL. Would help Vic and Devin to have a nice outlet valve as well.
Contract is fair and he's still young. Just rolling back the same scrubs from last year + Castle would be a major failure on their part tbh.
Only if they are 27 or younger, tbh. No reason to get McDermott to transform our 3rd pick into the 10th, tbh.
DAF86 think we posted those at about the same time tbh
Maybe but we all know it would be short lived cause Pop would have had him stay in the G League for the whole season w/o improved defense and/or shooting unwarranted 3s
What a load of hooey. It's completely divorced from the realities of the salary cap and just time in general. Like, if the Spurs have the ability to change the team's floor to 35ish wins, why not do it? If that's their floor, what do you think their ceiling would be in that scenario? Why would you commit yourself to giving Cam his next extension years before he's even eligible for it? That's what it would take for him to be a better long-play than George.
People have it backwards. When you're a contender, then you want vets signed into long-term deals, because they're under control for your whole contending window. When you aren't a contender, then you trade those guys to contenders for hauls. Get past the superficial thinking that if your star is young, you want to surround him with young players. That's what the draft is for. When the star is young, you give him legit vets to teach him. When he's older, you give him young players to guide. That's how you build a lasting system, not by bringing in guys who'll only be useful after their contract is up.
We don't have a choice but to be patient. But we don't have to keep eating the same sandwich year after year and having someone slide up and tell us it's a delicacy our pallettes are too unrefined to appreciate.
He would have been fun to watch even on the G-league.
In the 2nd round thread there are some mentioned. I'd love to get a Cam Spencer or Tristan Newton. They'll probably be smart enough to get going pretty fast. They're older, but skilled.
You forgot the part about getting a coach that isn’t cooked who don’t try to make second year forwards play point guard
You are so confused about this whole thing is comical, tbh.
Let's say we get Paul George, what happens then? Tell me your expected scenario.
Last night I was not down with this approach. Today, it makes more sense.
One aspect that occurs to me is that the Spurs might be looking at the picks as an investment of time, development, energy and a lot of money. Maybe they didn't deem any players worthy of this investment except Castle.
Also, I think the FO has some moves planned. Hopefully they can pull them off.
Next year's draft and free agency will be the time to make real moves. If that doesn't happen, no one will be very happy.
Cam Spencer or Antonio Reeves can bring the three.
I feel like some of you are completely out of touch.
1) What does giving up #8 in such weak draft have to do with tanking? None of the wings we could've picked in the lottery would've had an immediate impact on winning the next season. Even if Salaun was there, he's probably the biggest prospect of them all. One could argue that having less rookies, especially project players, means we're focused more on winning.
2) Just a few of us in here wanted Dillingham for months and we all understand the gamble Wolves took. Meanwhile a lot of posts today are meltdowns for the sake of having a meltdown by posters who didn't even want Dillingham. I know there were also other players on the board, but still.
3) We can't tank anymore. Tank as in get top5 odds. Not if Wemby is healthy. 25/12 season is a given for him. Look at all those Eastern teams that have nothing. Wizards, Nets, Detroit, Hornets, even the Bulls look like they're going to be tanking. Blazers and maybe Jazz in the West. No way we get a top5 record. Just play to win and develop players, we'll have two mid-late lottery picks and a ton of other assets to maybe trade up.
4) We need to wait and see what happens during the summer. If we don't get at least one legit wing, then PATFO are morons because having a dysfunctional roster doesn't help young players develop. But as for now, stop overreacting.
5) Castle is obviously the point guard project, forget about Dillinghams, Traes, Garlands and any other undersized guards. We can just hope he develops because if he does, those players will be unplayable against us.
Did you read the OP in full?
This thread in no way implies that I think PATFO will tank. In fact, like you said, trading the #8 pick for future assets implies the complete opposite (I'm fearing a Garland trade, tbh).
I just made this thread to state my case that I'm totally against making moves for aging vets like George or Butler, or flawed ones like Trae or Garland. I'm all in for going for young, more well rounded ones like Cade or Lauri, or young complementary pieces like Cam Johnson, tbh. If not, I would rather stay put and get a lottery pick.
Did I say you're out of touch?
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