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My bad, it's just that people are having meltdowns ever since the trade, it's kind of annoying.
It read like it, tbh.
My bad, it's just that people are having meltdowns ever since the trade, it's kind of annoying.
Logic is not allowed here
I would say the Spurs have found a nuanced distinction between tanking and not prioritizing winning next season. I also think Victor is much more ready to win next season as a goal than the front office is. We have a big lack of talent and we decided not to add more talent with the 8th pick. I think it's pretty much that simple. Of course they are wanting to play the long game with the hope of a big move but that will be getting out of their comfort zone. It's sort of a paradox. The more they keep kicking the can down the road you can look at it as preparing for a big move or a continuation of not making a stronger move in the moment.
My opinion right now is that when we have extra draft picks in the coming years they will just take them down the road again. I think it's easier for the team to find young affordable talent in the draft and mold players to their liking than it is to take older players and expect them to get on board with the way things are done in San Antonio, so I think it's a much much smaller pool of talent to choose from and going in a trade, and so it's not just that I think they're reluctant to make big moves, I think they are also very rigid in particular in the kind of players they would bring in.
I completely agree. We don't necessarily need the top draft pick in 2025. We can fill out the team with draft picks wherever we end up. There will be players in the late lottery that would be upgrades over our roster. What I don't want is for us to add players this off-season who we would have to replace next year because the options are better next year (whether in the draft, trade or FA).
This post sounds reasonable, but is really the result of the gaslighting that PAFTO has been laying on us about "patience".
After we have another season with very little development outside of Wemby and maybe Castle, and when we punt more picks for future draft capital, you'll be able to write the same thing. This is the key feature of PAFTO's patience grift: it can be repeated ad infinitum with no deadlines or actual expectations to actually turn the corner.
Everyone is salivating over these swaps - but swaps don't mean when YOU continue to be the worst team
When I first clicked on this, I assumed it was going to be a hilarious parody post... but instead it's exactly what PAFTO has been grooming - just more runway for the fans so they can continue to be the highest paid FO in the league and deliver cellar dweller results. Landing Victor was great for everyone, but especially for PAFTO, who now get to point at something (that they got by luck) and say "LOOK HOW BRIGHT THE FUTURE IS IF YOU JUST BE PATIENT"
If I wasn't a native San Antonian I'd have abandoned this team by now.
To be clear, I'm talking just about this season, that's why I wrote "Be Patient for ONE more season". Why one more season? This upcoming draft seems to be stacked and the free agency class is way better. After next season the patience is over, tbh.This post sounds reasonable, but is really the result of the gaslighting that PAFTO has been laying on us about "patience".
After we have another season with very little development outside of Wemby and maybe Castle, and when we punt more picks for future draft capital, you'll be able to write the same thing. This is the key feature of PAFTO's patience grift: it can be repeated ad infinitum with no deadlines or actual expectations to actually turn the corner.
Everyone is salivating over these swaps - but swaps don't mean when YOU continue to be the worst team
When I first clicked on this, I assumed it was going to be a hilarious parody post... but instead it's exactly what PAFTO has been grooming - just more runway for the fans so they can continue to be the highest paid FO in the league and deliver cellar dweller results. Landing Victor was great for everyone, but especially for PAFTO, who now get to point at something (that they got by luck) and say "LOOK HOW BRIGHT THE FUTURE IS IF YOU JUST BE PATIENT"
If I wasn't a native San Antonian I'd have abandoned this team by now.
I actually think we should be in contention for play-in spots this year. Contending with Lakers/Warriors/Kings/Rockets type level the way we were playing near the end of the season and then adding in Castle. Next year I fully do not expect the Hornets pick to convey. Bulls will likely rebuild so their pick is unlikely to convey next year. Hawks and Spurs picks should be in the 15 range probably. So not too bad.
Hopefully at that point we can bring up the trade values of Wesley, Branham, and Sochan and trade them for 1-2 lottery type picks. Package them for a top 7 pick.
Next year's draft vs this year's is apples and oranges man, I don't think punting on this one means they would next year with two lottery picks. I wanted Buzelis too but maybe he sucked in workouts or teams thought he was an idiot or some other thing we're not privy to but front offices saw that caused his slide to 11 in a weak draft. I absolutely would rather have the pick and the swap than pissing the pick away on Salaun. You talk about the FO gaslighting but maybe Carter hype was just that: the Spurs gaslighting the league to thinking Carter was better than he was and who the Spurs were targeting.This post sounds reasonable, but is really the result of the gaslighting that PAFTO has been laying on us about "patience".
After we have another season with very little development outside of Wemby and maybe Castle, and when we punt more picks for future draft capital, you'll be able to write the same thing. This is the key feature of PAFTO's patience grift: it can be repeated ad infinitum with no deadlines or actual expectations to actually turn the corner.
Everyone is salivating over these swaps - but swaps don't mean when YOU continue to be the worst team
When I first clicked on this, I assumed it was going to be a hilarious parody post... but instead it's exactly what PAFTO has been grooming - just more runway for the fans so they can continue to be the highest paid FO in the league and deliver cellar dweller results. Landing Victor was great for everyone, but especially for PAFTO, who now get to point at something (that they got by luck) and say "LOOK HOW BRIGHT THE FUTURE IS IF YOU JUST BE PATIENT"
If I wasn't a native San Antonian I'd have abandoned this team by now.
Sure, I'm all for competing but with young guys. There's no reason to bring a veteran to make the team better, only to have to start all over again in a couple of years when said veteran is no longer in the team.
There is no grand plan
There is no grand design
The front office is bad. The only great move they have made is the no brainer one to draft Wemby.
How are some of you convincing yourselves that a team that never makes a big trade (unless there star player is forcing his way out
Spurs are going to do what they did last year, they are going to pay some bums a little bit of money to be bums, they are going to try and keep cap space open so they can get involved in some deal and get something out of it, and they are going to whiff on getting in on that deal because nobody else in the league gives two s about them or their trash ass players or their picks that won't equate to anything.
The only thing that happened last night is a guy who already built a le team in Denver and is in the process of building a competing one in Minnesota fleeced a GM how outside of drafting Victor hasn't done anything but draft players who are either bust are trying to stay off the registered sex offender list
A team who sucks and has sucked for years came to the conclusion that there are no players who can help us win now or in the future at the 8th pick. A team who has gotten better every year to the point they are now playing in a conference finals said there is a player in this draft who can help us at the 8th pick let me call up one of two teams in the nba who never make a trade worth a or signs anyone worth a so i can get said player. Who you think is going to end up being correct? The team who hasn't had a winning season in 5 years, or the team who hasn't had a losing season in 3 years?
This can't be stressed enough. Pop made record money this year to play Sochan at point and to run a front office he threw a number 8 pick in a box that won't be open for close to a decadeThis post sounds reasonable, but is really the result of the gaslighting that PAFTO has been laying on us about "patience".
After we have another season with very little development outside of Wemby and maybe Castle, and when we punt more picks for future draft capital, you'll be able to write the same thing. This is the key feature of PAFTO's patience grift: it can be repeated ad infinitum with no deadlines or actual expectations to actually turn the corner.
Everyone is salivating over these swaps - but swaps don't mean when YOU continue to be the worst team
When I first clicked on this, I assumed it was going to be a hilarious parody post... but instead it's exactly what PAFTO has been grooming - just more runway for the fans so they can continue to be the highest paid FO in the league and deliver cellar dweller results. Landing Victor was great for everyone, but especially for PAFTO, who now get to point at something (that they got by luck) and say "LOOK HOW BRIGHT THE FUTURE IS IF YOU JUST BE PATIENT"
If I wasn't a native San Antonian I'd have abandoned this team by now.
Not true. He also did some crowd control for us this past season when he yelled at the fans for booing. Clown Show FOThis can't be stressed enough. Pop made record money this year to play Sochan at point and to run a front office he threw a number 8 pick in a box that won't be open for close to a decade
Watch out. You might get called out for being a "sniffer." I don't mind getting one or two vets to show these young bucks the ropes, but I wouldn't mind either if we just stayed the course with all the youth on the team.
Yeah, that was not good. Was that Kawhi the fans were booing? If so, did he do that for Kawhi, or did he do that because he genuinely thought fans shouldn't boo players. That really was strange. That's a big FU to the fans. If the fans want to boo someone, it's their right to do it as they paid money to be there. As long as they don't cross the line, then who is Pop to tell them they can't boo an opposing player?Not true. He also did some crowd control for us this past season when he yelled at the fans for booing. Clown Show FO
hahahahahahaha!
Brian Wright is addicted to...
picks!
trading picks!
drafting talent and trading it for....picks!
next season - yes next draft - you just wait!!!!
Addict brian will land two TOP TEN PICKS!
He will then - trade for more FUTURE PICKS!!!!
Picks = CRACK = Brian wright
This draft was a textbook example of the lack of vision, conviction and planning we’ve seen since Brian Wright has run the FO.
You can say we lack talent to compete so we’re going to stealth tank for picks, but then when the draft comes it’s a move to then trade away a 8th pick. With Wemby, the team needs to be looking to win now, and nothing I’ve seen from this FO leads me to believe they are CIA planning to make a FA acquisition.
The Spurs don’t have the talent to punt away Top Tens, and have two high picks increases the chance one at least pans out. It’s not like our roster isn't ty enough to have space for one more draft pick.
Not just that but for a pick swap and another pick in another 6-7 years? You’re not even guaranteed to make back the pick you just traded away.
This dude is an expert on getting picks I’ll give him that, but the product and talent on the floor sucks ass and this dude had left a wake of nothing but failure each franchise he’s been. But then when you get the high draft picks, to then trade them away makes zero sense. Like what the was all that tanking for then?
What Spurs got for a 8 pick in an historical weak draft is great value tbh... I don't get why people get so upset about 2030 / 2031, the chances of the Spurs keeping those assets are near 0, assets will be used before that.
Also there is no news breaking here, patience has always been what Spurs FO was telling us right after getting the first pick last year.
Spurs did not see value in this pick and time will tell if they were right or not. I guess the choice was between adding and developing yet another young prospect for what they see as a limited ceiling or getting more cap flex and future assets.
Spurs, next year, should improve significantly anyway, FO should also finally understand what they have in their hands. Spurs will also keep an eye on trade possibilities if they see value for Wemby development.
Also next year we should be free of experimental stuff like Sochan at PG for the first half of the year... so yeah there is that
It's funny, because people only remember Sochan at point guard as a failed experiment then on to Tre Jones.
But there were other failed experiments in-between. Osman got a start at point guard when the plug got pulled on Sochan. It seems kind boggling that after a month of Sochan crippling the offense and Zollins dumping his ass all over the court that the big adjustment Pop found was ... Cedi Osman, point guard. After that was a stretch of bad Branham games.
I think they don't think this year's draft was a great one and I think they're eyeing next season's draft and free agency. I don't know for sure, but we'll see I guess.
Someone else will just make the same post next season
I think many people are missing the point of this thread and think I'm excusing the FO, when it's actually the oposite, tbh.
The Dilly trade is inexcusable to me and goes in complete opposite directions of the spirit of this thread: being patient and developing young prospects.
The logic of the Dilly trade indicates that PATFO are trying to stockpile assets to make a move for a player. My fear is they are going to go for a 34 year old player, that will be long gone by the time we're actually ready to contend for real, or a flawed player, that will hinder us for years (I don't know why I have a feeling they might be targeting Garland).
The point of this thread was to state my preference of waiting for next season to start being agressive, or, if you want to move now, do it for players that make sense, which, imho, would be players like Markkanen or Cunningham.
The trade from a value PoV was fine and will give us a nice injection of talent in the middle of Wemby's career.
To me the trade says a combination of things (some of them conjecture):
1) We've got enough kids on the team that need playing time to develop. No sense in adding more.
2) The talent available at 8 would have created a logjam or wasn't high enough to justify keeping the pick.
3) Some of our existing players are ready for bigger roles this season.
4) We see tanking for the 2025 as a viable strategy to secure our 2nd star. No 3PG ability on the team creates a natural ceiling for our win total, and that deficiency is intentionally being left unaddressed.
I think it's great that the franchise has a long-term outlook. As long as Wemby is on board with it we're fine.
I've put out like 36 Million scenarios. You can comment on any of those.You are so confused about this whole thing is comical, tbh.
Let's say we get Paul George, what happens then? Tell me your expected scenario.
This reply isn't even trying, man. I get it was late on a deflating evening, so I'm legit not gonna hold it against you. The Spurs getting a floor of a play-in team (which is where the 12th pick would be before you argue) using cap space and non-premium assets, it doesn't make sense to not do it. There are contenders who don't have that high of a floor. If we were talking about going all in to do that, that's one thing. But when it's a team full of young players with a ton of future picks? You take that every day. Take that and then build off it. That's much smarter than trying to be horrible, hoping the rihht guys fall and dump picks if they don't, then try to compete.
I posted this in another thread... but this year's class wasn't always expected to be so weak (it was only known that there wasn't a Wemby at the top), and there is absolutely no assurance that next year's won't also be weak. And I think overtime we will see that it was only weaker than a "normal class" in the Top 5 or so, and it was pretty "normal" after that.
If you look at the recruit rankings (admittedly, this excludes international prospects not going into the NCAA), last year's class had no 100 rated prospects, but had seven 99 rated, and eleven 98 rated. https://247sports.com/season/2023-ba...oup=HighSchool
The 2025 Draft Class has two 100 rated prospects (Flagg and Bailey), five 99 rated, and eleven 98 rated. https://247sports.com/season/2024-ba...oup=HighSchool
The only real difference in the two classes going into their freshman year is at the very top - but the 2025 Draft Class may even up flopping just as hard as this one, we just never know.
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