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    Look, maybe they just don't want to get torched on the defensive end anymore. I was sick of this 4 or 5 years ago when Bryn Forbes was starting and I stopped watching for a bit due to that. I always loved defense first, so I am hoping the front office has now come around to that and don't want to have defensive sieves out there anymore. I think it's looking that way, but again, we'll see with what moves they make going forward. I hope defense is a big focus moving forward.

    As good as Dillingham might be on offense, he could get lit up on the regular defensively. I felt really bad for him, but I'll just say good luck to him and hope he's happy to be going to a contending team instead. Whether he pans out or not, we'll see.

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    To me, there are two different aspect when evaluating a trade: is the trade fair and is it good ?

    The fair bit is about receiving equal value. When you consider everything, I think it's a quite fair trade. Wolves clearly didn't overpay to get #8 but Spurs get something good in return.

    The good part is about helping the team in its goal. As a standalone this trade is really bad. It accomplishes the exact opposite of what Spurs should do. They should speed up the rebuilding process with Wembanyama's greatness and this trade slows it down. But there is a but. This trade give Spurs a very nice trade asset that might allow them to speed up even more the rebuilding process than the draft pick would have done.

    At the end, it's all about what Spurs will do with that 2031 unprotected first round pick.
    this is the sort of take that one makes when they take the time to refrain from an overreaction. the trade can still turn out bad, but there is no way to know that at this moment.

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    If scientists could find a way to convert sniffs and cope into energy, the planet would be flush with the benefits of unlimited, clean power.

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    I watched every game UK played this season, a handful in person.

    Reed is overrated as a passer and defender imo. I was worried the Spurs might trade up to get him. But Rob had all the signs of a bench microwave and nah no thx, we'd prefer a 2031 pick

    Obviously Dilly has lowlights but this whole last season for SA was a lowlight and this feels like doubling down on that awful core we've had the misfortune of watching recently

    I think this is where some spurs fans need to take a step back and really let sink in what a future with dilly would have been.

    If you analyze taking dilly in the most positive light, I think there would be no question the spurs would improve, but by how much and at what cost?

    If your the spurs you don't take dilly without major plans for him (shown by how much twolves valued him). & for dillly to be a microwave off the bench would require the ball in his hands a good chunk of the time. I don't think there would be no way around that. And even if that leads to a net positive and even many trips to the playoffs, who hear honestly feels dilly would be the xfactor when facing a team built like the celtics leading to multi championship runs. The need for versatile players in all position has never been greater and dilly just wouldn't fit that bill. Finding a similar player w the picks in the mold of derick white is not unrealistic and would provide this team a much better benefit in the long run.

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    I don't get the whole "Spurs have never traded for a Star before, therefore they will never do it" way of thinking.

    Well the Spurs have never had a stockpile of Picks like they do rn. Let the FO cook. When the right player becomes available, we're gonna be thankful for having a stocked war-chest.

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    I think this is where some spurs fans need to take a step back and really let sink in what a future with dilly would have been.

    If you analyze taking dilly in the most positive light, I think there would be no question the spurs would improve, but by how much and at what cost?

    If your the spurs you don't take dilly without major plans for him (shown by how much twolves valued him). & for dillly to be a microwave off the bench would require the ball in his hands a good chunk of the time. I don't think there would be no way around that. And even if that leads to a net positive and even many trips to the playoffs, who hear honestly feels dilly would be the xfactor when facing a team built like the celtics leading to multi championship runs. The need for versatile players in all position has never been greater and dilly just wouldn't fit that bill. Finding a similar player w the picks in the mold of derick white is not unrealistic and would provide this team a much better benefit in the long run.
    How much they valued him? Yeah, loved him so much they’d give up picks in the 2030s, damn, real sacrifice on their end.

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    How much they valued him? Yeah, loved him so much they’d give up picks in the 2030s, damn, real sacrifice on their end.
    whether you think the twolves got a steal is irrelevant. I dont think you can argue the wolves aren’t planning to weave dilly into their offense in hopes of getting them further into the playoffs.

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    Not exactly an encouraging explanation lol - I was personally hoping to hear more about how it relates to building a team now that is looking forward to getting back to playoffs etc..

    Hearing it sort of was just about value without really a thought about how it ties into a broader plan kind of makes me nervous.

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    Not exactly an encouraging explanation lol - I was personally hoping to hear more about how it relates to building a team now that is looking forward to getting back to playoffs etc..

    Hearing it sort of was just about value without really a thought about how it ties into a broader plan kind of makes me nervous.
    I really think the idea that they got the MIN picks to ac ulate to some kind of star trade is pretty optimistic within the fanbase and unlikely in practice. They may see a trade down the line, but really they got the pick and swap in order to have the pick and swap. That's it.

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    i think its as simple as them being fixated on Salaun (ugh) and then panicking

    salaun would be a perfect pick because he gives them an out. oh, we know he's raw and a project, so we arent expecting him to be good until 4 years later, give it some time, etc...

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    If the FO mindset, given how bad the team is and how many holes they have, is simply trading away lottery picks because they got an offer that was “fair value” that would be depressing.

    I would have liked to hear that it was made with purpose of building this current team out the right way and part of an overall strategy etc….because hearing “well, it was fair value so we did it” is just scary.

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    To the surprise of few people, trading away #8 was not part of any other big plans they had for this summer or some 4D move

    They zeroed in on a guy (Saluan) and panic traded when he was picked ahead of them.

    For anybody thinking there is a big splash coming in the next few months, I'm sorry in advance. They're running it back

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    For me, the most consequential part of the deal was the fact that they traded out of #8 at all. It means that the front office had Dillingham, Buzelis, Williams, Carter, Knecht, Topić, etc, for the taking, and they decided that none of them were worth a roster spot.

    It means all those reports about one or the other having positive workouts and the Spurs being interested were smokescreens and that the front office didn’t like any of them enough to use a draft pick on them.
    If even 1 of those guys turns into an all-star then the FO should rightly be roasted. As it is we have the abominable picks in our recent rear view starting to loom large with the biggest of those cone by missing out on Sengun, drafting Primo.

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    To the surprise of few people, trading away #8 was not part of any other big plans they had for this summer or some 4D move

    They zeroed in on a guy (Saluan) and panic traded when he was picked ahead of them.

    For anybody thinking there is a big splash coming in the next few months, I'm sorry in advance. They're running it back
    And I get to celebrate by prepping for colonoscopy tomorrow. Oh the irony

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    I doubt they panicked with Salaun. They just didn't think anyone was good enough to take and either called around or Minnesota called them and, boom, the pick was gone. They probably had that sort of thing set up beforehand. They'd already suggested moving the pick the day before.

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    Here's one thought: This entire draft was predictably thrown in the garbage ( at this of all teams coming away with zero shooting and athleticism) by these clowns, who never face accountability for their arrogance and failures.

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    It probably feels better if they panicked and worse if that was their actual strategy. I think it was just their strategy.

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    What a terrible, terrible answer. I thought there was a plan, but that answer sounds like there is no plan at all. What a waste.

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    the copium in this thread

    Get ready for another season of terrible basketball as we retain virtually the same roster while we waste a year of rookie scale Victor. I guess it'll be worth it if we land a top 5 pick but man the way the draft shaped out and the answers the FO is giving are ing depressing and seriously don't inspire confidence. At least Victor will be fun to watch

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    These dumb s really believe they got good value??

    "We got an unprotected FRP 7 years from now? That pick is so far off, it could end up in the Top 10! We only have to give up a Top 10 pick to get it? Sign me up!"

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    I doubt they panicked with Salaun. They just didn't think anyone was good enough to take and either called around or Minnesota called them and, boom, the pick was gone. They probably had that sort of thing set up beforehand. They'd already suggested moving the pick the day before.
    Zach Lowe said he heard the deal was worked out prior to the draft.

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    It's another valuable trade chip. I think they realize they will have to make a big trade at some point and they are stockpiling the assets to do so. The Knicks just sent the Nets 5 first round picks.

    Doesn't mean a trade is currently in the works but they are hoarding the assets so when the right one presents itself they have the best package.

    Seems pretty simple to me. Pair that with the fact that they already have a ton of guys under 21 on this roster they probably didn't feel the need to add another one who they aren't extremely high on.

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    I mean does anybody here think Barlow will be a better player than Buzelis or Cody Williams? That tells you all you need to know about PATFO

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