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are you forgetting Laury has only left one year on his contract which lower the price Utah should ask from the Spurs?
I’m not really familiar with Jalen Smith’s game since his rookie season. Would he fit next to Wemby? Or rather is he worth it?
are you forgetting Laury has only left one year on his contract which lower the price Utah should ask from the Spurs?
I’d take Ayo over the Spurs punting the Chicago pick to 2032 assuming we get a lottery pick in 2026.
Why? Dont like Ayo? Think CHI pick has high degree of certainty to convey as a first? Both?
Bruce Brown is an all-round player any team would want. Because of that, there's no way they're letting him go without a FRP going their way. At least not before the deadline.
He's every contender's wish, just look at how much Denver was missing him.
I don't think it's worth it for the Spurs to use a FRP and then extend him. He'll surely ask for 25-30M a year and he's still a gurad. We need wings.
Huh. They barely have any actual salary. A bunch of team options that they'll probably take, but room after that. They have a 2025 Denver first round with high protections and a likely 2026 swap with Phoenix. Otherwise one of the few NBA teams that owes zero outgoing picks to any other team (SAS is one of the others).
Actually, here's the 2026 swap. The WAS pick to NYK is 1-10 protected in 2025, so will not convey. Orlando can swap with Phoenix, but the Suns will maybe/probably be better that year, maybe:
2026 first round draft pick from Phoenix or Washington (Orlando outgoing to Memphis or Phoenix)
Washington has the right to swap its 2026 1st round pick, protected for selections 9-30 if Washington does not convey a 1st round pick to New York in 2025, for Phoenix's 2026 1st round pick; Orlando then has the right to swap its 2026 1st round pick for the less favorable of the Phoenix pick and the Washington pick if conveyable; Memphis then has the right to swap its 2026 1st round pick for the least / less favorable of the Phoenix pick, the Washington pick if conveyable and the Orlando pick; if the Washington pick is not conveyable, then Phoenix's obligation to Washington will be extinguished and Orlando will instead have the right to swap its pick for the Phoenix pick [Indiana-Phoenix-Washington, 6/23/2023; Orlando-Phoenix, 7/17/2023; Brooklyn-Memphis-Phoenix, 2/8/2024]
So really Orlando has all their own picks and then the Denver 2025 pick to use to get Trae. They have some young players like Jett Howard and Black, but not many they wouldn't rather keep.
He was terrible in INDY after getting paid and even worse in TOR though. I dont know that he will command a first unless TOR takes back a bad contract with longer years on it.
Both. If they could get Ayo for like five 2nds I'd be more interested but I'd rather run Castle/Jones at PG this upcoming season. Really do think Chicago wants to retool rather than rebuild so that pick should convey at some point.
I haven't seen that much of him, but isn't Ayo a shooting guard? Does he have actual playmaking skills?
Tbh, I don''t think we need to make any moves at guard positions this summer. Castle/Tre/Devin/Branham are enough, we desperately need a couple of legit wings.
Like I said the Spurs only do this deal if they are very confident of a Lauri extension either now or next summer.
Pacers give up three firsts of Siakam but Lauri is almost exactly three years younger than Siakam and will make 18M in the final year of his deal instead of 36M like Siakam.
I think if CHI lets DeRozan walk and then presents a deal like this (meaning they are getting off of Lavine one way or the other) on the heels of also trading their biggest + on/off guy in Caruso that would signal a pretty big blow up and Im not sure how likely it is that pick conveys which for me would change calculus some. If they keep DeRozan and Lavine? Then ya, I would keep the CHI pick
A fairly long, but very good explanation about Markkanen's complicated contract situation:
- Lauri Markkanen is looking for a four year max extension. However, the CBA only allows raises in extensions to be 40% over the last year of his contract. The salary cap in 2025-2026 is likely to be $155.1m so a max for a less than 10 year player is $46.53m starting in year 1. Therefore, a player must be making $33.24m or more in 2024-2025 to sign a max extension for 2025-2026.
- Lauri Markkanen is set to make 18.044m next year. However, after Lauri's contract hits three years old, whoever has him under contract can renegotiate and extend him. This involves the team using their own salary cap space to give a raise to a player for their current year and then extending him for future years. The Jazz did this last year with Clarkson though for different reasons. To renegotiate and extend Markkanen, the Jazz or whoever traded for Markkanen must give him a $15.2m raise this year, using their cap space.
- Now we get into the timing issues caused by the CBA. If you trade for a player, you can't extend them for at least six months. If you extend a player, you cannot trade them for at least six months. You must hit the salary floor by mid October. Lauri signed his current contract August 27th 2021. The trade deadline is early February 2025.
- The salary floor is 90% of the cap, meaning that a team can only pass mid October with $14.1m in cap space or less.
So let's go through a few scenarios here.
- Jazz renegotiate and extend Markkanen. In this scenario, the Jazz cannot have renegotiated and extended him until August 27th, 2024 or later. This means they could not trade Markkanen until February 27th, 2025... Which is after the trade deadline.
- The Jazz do not renegotiate and extend Markkanen and try to trade him to a team with cap space that promises to renegotiate and extend him. In this scenario, a team could hypothetically offer Markkanen a $14.1m raise this year and a near max contract. Over the five years, this would lose Markkanen around $8m compared to a renegotiation and max so Markkanen's agent would realistically try to harm trade talks unless an absolutely perfect situation came up. And what teams could realistically hold this much cap space available for renegotiation and extending? It's mostly just the Pistons and Spurs so Markkanen's agent would probably tell the Pistons that he would rather test free agency because the Pistons are so awful (and this is actually pretty reasonable for a player to say as well, lol). This narrows Markkanen's market and reduces his trade value.
- The Jazz do not renegotiate and extend Markkanen and try to trade him to a team that will not renegotiate and extend him. This move would cost Markkanen at least $15m and would cause a huge amount of risk for Markkanen if he got injured during next season so he and agent would try to sabotage any trade talks to non ideal situations by implying that he could leave in free agency. I would say this narrows down his market to basically just le contenders where he would fit well and get a good amount of shots. If you narrow that down to teams that have assets, you're basically just left with the 76ers, Thunder... Maybe the Lakers? Maybe the Heat if they trade Butler? And all of these teams will likely be more wary of giving up 4+ picks still because Lauri won't be able to extend with them.
So we're looking at a very narrow trade market and that lowers the odds dramatically that a team will want to roll the dice and go all-in with Markkanen, making the odds of trading him much lower.
Sexton and Kessler also have depressed trade value (Sexton due to his seasons before this not being great and Kessler for having a disappointing second year) so they're unlikely to be traded as well though they could be traded at the deadline if they have a great year. These are our three best players so it's hard to see any tanking moves being plausible.
A lot of appe e among Miami fans to go for Trae. I... can kind of see it.
They could make Herro the centerpiece, plus filler. Problem is the draft picks.
If a team owes a pick protected 1-14 to one team, can they trade the 15-30 protection to another team? So, if they do hit the lottery, it will then go to that other team?
They'd have to take Collins back in that case for me to gain some interest. Just don't see the need for another developmental PG while SF remains a gaping hole.
Miles Bridges 80/3 ??
Jones - Zamek - Wesley
Vassell - Branhm - FA MLE
Bridges - Johnson - Cissoko
Sochan - Champagnie - Barlow
Wembanyama - Collins - Bassey (Mamukelashvili)
Donsunmu is a solid 3 and D/secondary creator combo guard. I'd rather trade for Brogdon, who'll probably cost less and has more on ball ability.
The notion that they're fine at guard with Castle replacing Wesley is absurd. There's a dire need for a guard (or wing, but good luck finding that) who can create for themselves and others, as well as shoot.
Weird he’d do so, especially after expressing how unhappy he was with his PT with the Clips last season
Zero chance this will happen. Spurs would never sign a player with the baggage Bridges has, not even worth discussing imho. They're more likely to bring Primo back
We were fine when Tre is on the floor, but struggled without him.
PATFO is obviously dead set on big lead guard, everyone shares the floor philosophy.
Castle maybe isn't ready just yet, but some of you are making it look like he's got Jeremy's handles and court vision.
He's the #4 pick and since we aren't competing for anything this year, we need to know if he can be the point guard as soon as possible.
As for creation, we were second in assists despite being 28th in 3pt% while being 11th in attempts.
If we had some legit shooters, creation wouldn't have been that big of an issue.
(I know you're going to say Castle isn't a shooter, but neither is Tre, despite making progress with his corner 3s.)
Don't forget that Wemby averaged 4 assists for the season and 5 assist since the all-star break...while not knowing what he's doing half the time.
He won't become a Jokic, but he'll surely be a Sabonis level passer.
We also need Devin to develop his playmaking skills.
We can debate if picking Castle was the right choice, but now that he's here, he's the point guard for all intents and purposes. At least for this season.
Picking him only to reduce him to a marginal role would be the worst possible outcome. Even worse than him failing as a point guard.
NOP-ATL
Brandon Ingram for Trae Young
Presumably Ingram is considered the worse player, so will need to attach something.
NOP has 2025 Lakers pick, a 2026 swap with Milwaukee (can give a best of scenario), 2027 Milwaukee
Atlanta does that, gets a pretty good player in Ingram to pair with Dejounte, Jalen Johnson, Risacher. They could get a pick or two to defray the loss to the Spurs.
NOP has a star to pair with Zion if he ever decides to be healthy. McCollum goes more off-ball or off the bench.
Upgrading the ball skills of Sochan and Wesley is a low bar. This team desperately needs some dynamism, not another caretaker who can't shoot.
I agree that Castle shouldn't be stashed in the corner, but he also shouldn't be forced to be the lead guard, something he has virtually no chance of ever becoming (even White, Holiday, Smart and Suggs aren't that). They need a balance, which is why Brogdon makes makes sense.
What has Branham, a replacement player, done to be handed a rotation spot for a third straight season?
They're not at the top in assist rate because of their ability to create, but for their inability to do so. That's the result of a team bereft of primary shot creation and play making. They can't singlehandedly put the defense in rotation, so if they want to so much as attempt to create offense, they have to do it together.
He's got way better handles than both, can get to the rim, bully smaller guards and finish through contact.
Neither Wesley nor Jeremy can do that. Jeremy gets to the rim and throws the ball up randomly, horrible finisher.
Our balance is going to be Wemby and Devin having the ball a lot.I agree that Castle shouldn't be stashed in the corner, but he also shouldn't be forced to be the lead guard, something he has virtually no chance of ever becoming (even White, Holiday, Smart and Suggs aren't that). They need a balance, which is why Brogdon makes makes sense.
We're obviously never going to go for a traditional playmaker in the starting lineup.
Nothing. And if you go through my comments I posted during games, you'll know I hate him and I don't think he'll ever be an actual NBA player.What has Branham, a replacement player, done to be handed a rotation spot for a third straight season?
But he's surely getting another season. PATFO won't give up on a first round pick after just two seasons.
Fair point.They're not at the top in assist rate because of their ability to create, but for their inability to do so. That's the result of a team bereft of primary shot creation and play making. They can't singlehandedly put the defense in rotation, so if they want to so much as attempt to create offense, they have to do it together.
But a lot of that inability to create came from non-existant spacing.
Tre-Devin-Champagnie-Jeremy-Wemby was our starting lineup.
That's some 1984 spacing right there.
I was a big fan of Castle, I'm happy we got him, but it will all be for nothing if we don't get two legit shooters on wing positions.
That's why I made that Cam Johnson and Harrison Barnes scenario in the ideal offseason topic.
Replace those two with any other respectable wing shooters, you get the point.
I also said many times that I don't want Jeremy to start if we get Castle.
Worst case scenario, move Keldon back to the starting lineup and have Jeremy as a sixth man until he improves his shot.
I think if we were sending out Graham we could take back up to around $28MM into capspace
We have until Monday to decide on him
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