2024 NBA Off-Season Thread (FA, Trades, Extensions, Rumors)

[ace3g]

[scott]

I would imagine the Jazz would love the Hawk picks because Wemby/Lauri picks aren't worth much. Also doubt the FO does this deal unless they are very confident they can extend Lauri now or next summer.

If I am Ainge I ask for all the Hawks picks, the most favorable pick of the 2030 swaps and Sochan.

Before people start complaining you're not getting Lauri without surrendering premium assets because future Spurs first rounders carry less value because of Wemby/Lauri.

If you prefer to better preserve future draft capitol you'll have to part with Dev. Cant have it both ways.

We have, and will continue to disagree on Lauri's value in a trade this offseason.

First, Lauri is only getting traded if he and UTA can't agree on an extension, and I believe everyone knows this.

For that, I look to Siakam's deal as the framework for a Lauri deal. Siakam got 2 unprotected firsts (both known at the time of the deal to most likely land around 20 or later - sure enough it turned out to be Pick 19 and 29) and one protected first with some seconds going back to Toronto. That's about what we can expect for a Lauri deal as well, probably one high upside unprotected and two protected picks. The main difference is I do think UTA will want a useful player going back as well.

If I'm the Spurs I'd offer ATL27, CHI, and SA25 (lotto protected) and Keldon.

OKC can offer more picks, but their warchest comes with a lot of protections and their own picks are late projections.

[DPG21920]

A lot of appe e among Miami fans to go for Trae. I... can kind of see it.

They could make Herro the centerpiece, plus filler. Problem is the draft picks.

If a team owes a pick protected 1-14 to one team, can they trade the 15-30 protection to another team? So, if they do hit the lottery, it will then go to that other team?

Yes they can do that

[DPG21920]

They'd have to take Collins back in that case for me to gain some interest. Just don't see the need for another developmental PG while SF remains a gaping hole.

Because to me, SA doesnt need a “traditional” point guard. And Ayo is young, defends well and can play next to Castle since he can shoot 40% from 3PT as well. But I get it, it’s not clear cut especially if you think you will land a better PG prospect in 25 draft or something.

[BacktoBasics]

I’m not really sold that Lauri is a good fit here. He wasn’t really working out until he became the number 1 option on a ty team.

I’d rather see our capital moved for a legitimate guard.

[ace3g]

[scott]

I think if CHI lets DeRozan walk and then presents a deal like this (meaning they are getting off of Lavine one way or the other) on the heels of also trading their biggest + on/off guy in Caruso that would signal a pretty big blow up and Im not sure how likely it is that pick conveys which for me would change calculus some. If they keep DeRozan and Lavine? Then ya, I would keep the CHI pick

If Chi blows it up like that, we could probably just get Ayo straight up for that pick back?

Not sure if this is the best use of that asset... but it could be interesting.

[scott]

A lot of appe e among Miami fans to go for Trae. I... can kind of see it.

They could make Herro the centerpiece, plus filler. Problem is the draft picks.

If a team owes a pick protected 1-14 to one team, can they trade the 15-30 protection to another team? So, if they do hit the lottery, it will then go to that other team?

Yes, I believe teams can do this - the problem comes with the Stepien rule affecting carryovers, so it would have to be a one-shot deal?

[DPG21920]

If Chi blows it up like that, we could probably just get Ayo straight up for that pick back?

Not sure if this is the best use of that asset... but it could be interesting.

Not sure - it would only likely be because CHI needs to incentivize someone to take Lavine and choose to give up Ayo instead of another first (since they already have one out to SA)

[BacktoBasics]

Herro, Castle, Vassell all together isn’t something I’d hate. Kinda like it.

[scott]

Not sure - it would only likely be because CHI needs to incentivize someone to take Lavine and choose to give up Ayo instead of another first (since they already have one out to SA)

If Chicago is tanking, I'm not sure they need to move off Lavine so desperately. He's a perfect tank commander. Getting their own pick back from SA likely gives them some desired flexibility (doesn't tie up their pick from being traded for 4 years, for starters, though they are a team that doesn't seem to mind operating in a pick-constrained environment).

[scott]

I like Herro and I'm glad we get to talk about him for a second straight summer! Herro/Castle/Vassell would be a fun 3-guard rotation, IMO. Castle and Vassell (most Castle, tbh) help cover Herro's defensive limitations.

[RC_Drunkford]

ATL ready for a rebuild??

that would be great for our picks cause there's no way they putting a compe ive team together if they move everybody

who are we getting in return? Tyler Herro?

[TD 21]

He's got way better handles than both, can get to the rim, bully smaller guards and finish through contact.
Neither Wesley nor Jeremy can do that. Jeremy gets to the rim and throws the ball up randomly, horrible finisher.



Our balance is going to be Wemby and Devin having the ball a lot.
We're obviously never going to go for a traditional playmaker in the starting lineup.



Nothing. And if you go through my comments I posted during games, you'll know I hate him and I don't think he'll ever be an actual NBA player.
But he's surely getting another season. PATFO won't give up on a first round pick after just two seasons.



Fair point.
But a lot of that inability to create came from non-existant spacing.
Tre-Devin-Champagnie-Jeremy-Wemby was our starting lineup.
That's some 1984 spacing right there.

I was a big fan of Castle, I'm happy we got him, but it will all be for nothing if we don't get two legit shooters on wing positions.
That's why I made that Cam Johnson and Harrison Barnes scenario in the ideal offseason topic.
Replace those two with any other respectable wing shooters, you get the point.

I also said many times that I don't want Jeremy to start if we get Castle.
Worst case scenario, move Keldon back to the starting lineup and have Jeremy as a sixth man until he improves his shot.

I know, hence the "low bar" comment.

They still need a second star of some sort. If not, why bother stocking so much draft capital?

I'd give Branham another season too (he has virtually no value to anyone else), I just wouldn't hand him a rotation spot anymore.

If they cared about spacing, they wouldn't have drafted another non shooter and they're too cheap to pay the price for Johnson (I actually wouldn't either).

[LeBowen]

If they cared about spacing, they wouldn't have drafted another non shooter and they're too cheap to pay the price for Johnson (I actually wouldn't either).

How many shooters were worthy of a #4 pick?
I don't see a single reliable shooter picked in 4-15 range other than Dillingham, who they didn't even consider because of his size.

Castle was easily BPA with only one flaw to his game. And it's not like his shooting mechanics are broken like for example Holland's.
Everyone else is either one-dimensional or just a theoretical player at this point.

I can get behind them not wanting to use a #8 pick if they didn't think there was a player worthy of one, but I don't understan why didn't they just move down to mid-late teens.
Still, we won't be able to understand their logic until the end of this offseason.
If we get a couple of forwards with reliable 3pt shot, then I'm fine with the logic behind this draft.
If we go into the season with Jeremy and Keldon as two best forwards, I'm going back to full on hater mode.

I guess they didn't draft anyone because they don't want to draft any more players who didn't fully convince them due to recent draft failures.

[scott]

who are we getting in return? Tyler Herro?

BY GAWD THAT'S A 2039 FRPs MUSIC!!!!

[Kevin]

We have, and will continue to disagree on Lauri's value in a trade this offseason.

First, Lauri is only getting traded if he and UTA can't agree on an extension, and I believe everyone knows this.

For that, I look to Siakam's deal as the framework for a Lauri deal. Siakam got 2 unprotected firsts (both known at the time of the deal to most likely land around 20 or later - sure enough it turned out to be Pick 19 and 29) and one protected first with some seconds going back to Toronto. That's about what we can expect for a Lauri deal as well, probably one high upside unprotected and two protected picks. The main difference is I do think UTA will want a useful player going back as well.

If I'm the Spurs I'd offer ATL27, CHI, and SA25 (lotto protected) and Keldon.

OKC can offer more picks, but their warchest comes with a lot of protections and their own picks are late projections.

Lauri is three years younger making half the salary of Siakam in the final year of his deal. Spurs have to top that Siakam deal. All of the Atlanta picks should come pretty close.

[TD 21]

How many shooters were worthy of a #4 pick?
I don't see a single reliable shooter picked in 4-15 range other than Dillingham, who they didn't even consider because of his size.

Castle was easily BPA with only one flaw to his game. And it's not like his shooting mechanics are broken like for example Holland's.
Everyone else is either one-dimensional or just a theoretical player at this point.

I can get behind them not wanting to use a #8 pick if they didn't think there was a player worthy of one, but I don't understan why didn't they just move down to mid-late teens.
Still, we won't be able to understand their logic until the end of this offseason.
If we get a couple of forwards with reliable 3pt shot, then I'm fine with the logic behind this draft.
If we go into the season with Jeremy and Keldon as two best forwards, I'm going back to full on hater mode.

I guess they didn't draft anyone because they don't want to draft any more players who didn't fully convince them due to recent draft failures.

We're 9 years into the "pace and space" era (one they ironically helped usher in) and they've yet to place a premium on it.

He's got a bunch of flaws and his biggest one so happens to be the most important. If he's neither a lead creator or floor spacer in time (both of which are highly likely), then what is he? He's also not an "event creator" defensively.

I've seen enough. It was predictably another draft in the garbage and it'll be another free agency too.

[scott]

Lauri is three years younger making half the salary of Siakam in the final year of his deal. Spurs have to top that Siakam deal. All of the Atlanta picks should come pretty close.

Dejounte was 2 years younger than Lauri is now and had two years left on his deal. Both have made the All-Star team once.

Lauri shouldn't he command the same price Dejounte pulled. He might, but the Spurs shouldn't pay it (and I'm a huge proponent of getting Lauri).

The age thing is a real factor, how much money is left in the final year of the deal is irrelevant. All that matters is the ability to resign them.

[RC_Drunkford]

I'd take Herro in a heartbeat. Not a positive on defense, but also not traffic cone level. Would give us elite shooting and offball movement while also being able to playmake and fits the timeline. He's got 3 years left on his contract for a reasonable price. Sign me up.

As far as Markkanen he's one of my top trade targets. He would absolutely work here especially with Wemby. His size alone would mask his defensive defficiencies next to Wemby and he's a good rebounder who doesn't need the ball in his hands. You're basically trading to make him your 2nd or 3rd option. I'm just not giving up a ton of picks and no ATL or Spurs 25 picks. Also depends on what his extension costs, but we could frontload it so his deal would look like a steal once Wemby is up for extension.

[RC_Drunkford]

DJ to NOLA for 2 firsts and Larry Nance

[Mugen]

Guys like Herro and KCP make too much sense for this FO tbh.

[Mugen]

Dejounte for Brandon Ingram?

[Mugen]

Dejounte to NOLA for Larry Nance Jr and two first round picks.

Great trade for the Spurs if it doesn't mean any follow up trades that makes Atlanta better tbh.

[Robz4000]

Welp, there goes Murray