Woj: Dejounte Murray Traded to Pelicans for Larry Nance Jr, Dyson Daniels and Picks

[BackHome]

It's funny people wanting Murray saying he would help us are now saying Atlanta is going to be better without him?

[SpursBills]

I don't think Dyson Daniels was that much worse than Dejounte Murray last season - he actually graded out as a more impactful player. People are underestimating just how terrible Dejounte was last season. Larry Nance has consistently graded out as a positive player. Now they take Murray's wasted possessions where he chucks a mid-range jumper and shunt them to Trae who's a way better playmaker; I think that Hawks team fits better on paper now with how their role players work around Trae. They're not going very far in the post-season, but it's a tall order to expect them to be a bottom tier team.

[Rosewood]

I don’t know why people keep thinking Dillingham is going to reach half of Trae’s level. It won’t be close, tbh.

This is perplexing and I only see it on this board. A proven top NBA scorer and PnR guy being valued the same as a rookie who hasn’t played a game. I’d rather go for Markannen or try the dice in the Flagg sweepstakes but at this insane narrative that is popping up about Trae.

[Dejounte]

ATL, if they simply keep Trae, is GUARANTEED to make play-in at worst. Depending on what happens in CLE (Mitc does not extend?) and PHI (can they build a team because all they have are Embiid + Maxey on their roster) ATL can make playoffs pretty straightforward

But worst case is 9th seed since literally every single other team that was not a playoff team in the East is tanking hard for this draft and got worse. Theres zero compe ion for 9th seed and play-in for ATL even with no Murray.

PHI “all they have are Embiid and Maxey” ???

Worst case is play in?

horrible takes

[Degoat]

Spurs moved back Devonte grahams Guarantee date which I assume could be used in a trade for a team to save money…

[DPG21920]

DET: Still terrible
WAS: Still terrible and traded away Deni
CHA: Still terrible and may lose Bridges and drafted the most non-nba ready player at 6
TOR: has not improved at all
BKY: traded Bridges for picks
CHI: Traded their most net + player in Caruso, likely letting DeRozan go and will trade Lavine.

Not a single one of the bad teams in the East will be a threat to try and leap ATL - maybe CHA if they keep Bridges, LaMelo stays healthy and Miller can leap?

[Dejounte]

I don't think Dyson Daniels was that much worse than Dejounte Murray last season - he actually graded out as a more impactful player. People are underestimating just how terrible Dejounte was last season. Larry Nance has consistently graded out as a positive player. Now they take Murray's wasted possessions where he chucks a mid-range jumper and shunt them to Trae who's a way better playmaker; I think that Hawks team fits better on paper now with how their role players work around Trae. They're not going very far in the post-season, but it's a tall order to expect them to be a bottom tier team.

They tried this model before, and it was a much better team then vs what they could hope to build with the assets they have in this offseason. This is a much worse team than that pre-Dejounte team.

[mystargtr34]

I can’t see the Hawks jumping any of the playoff teams this year.

Celtics
Knicks
Bucks
Sixers
Pacers
Cleveland
Orlando
Miami

Those 8 are a lock to be better than the Hawks. Miami won’t trade Butler imo.

Atlanta will be fighting with Toronto and Charlotte for 9-10 imo. The rest of the teams in the East are in tank mode (Brooklyn, Chicago, Washington, Detroit).

[LeBowen]

PHI “all they have are Embiid and Maxey” ???

Worst case is play in?

horrible takes

Tbh, Pistons, Wizards, Nets, Hornets, Raptors, Bulls are all almost guaranteed to be under 30 wins, imo.
Can't see healthy Hawks with Trae dropping below 9th seed, East is just horrible right now.

[DPG21920]

PHI “all they have are Embiid and Maxey” ???

Worst case is play in?

horrible takes

My friend, you realize that PHI literally only has 4 players under contract. I wasn’t saying it as a jab its a literal damn FACT that PHI only has those two guys

And yes, ATL with Trae is worst case a play-in team. Not a single non-playoff team in the east got better and almost all of them got worse and are still tanking hard. How is this a horrible take? Please elaborate with your thesis here.

[DPG21920]

Drafting Castle was moronic if they were going to make this trade.

Why? I think Castle fits well next to a Trae type honestly. I dont want Trae for a lot of reasons, but Castle actually fits next to him IMO

[Mr. Body]

Why? I think Castle fits well next to a Trae type honestly. I dont want Trae for a lot of reasons, but Castle actually fits next to him IMO

It's not good for Castle, it's good for Trae.

Trae gets to stand around on defense disengaged and watching Castle try to cover two players by himself.

Castle gets to watch Trae pound the ball and launch threes whenever he "feels it."

Pretty sure those are exactly the things Castle didn't want to happen.

[SpursBills]

They tried this model before, and it was a much better team then vs what they could hope to build with the assets they have in this offseason. This is a much worse team than that pre-Dejounte team.

Yes, they tried this model before and were a borderline playoff team. A worse version of that is probably a borderline play-in with a pick ranging from 8-12, so I don't necessarily disagree with you. But let's not act like this trade all of a sudden makes Atlanta a bottom 4 team or something, the difference between next year's Hawk's team vs this year's Hawks team (10th worst) probably isn't that big.

[BackHome]

Man we better not get that scrub Trae that would be such a huge mistake for this franchise

[scott]

Yeah, I don't think it's Trae... just trying to figure out what team out there would want Trae and send us Galaxy-era picks for it.

[mystargtr34]

I think Dejounte is going to be passed around like a blunt at a college party for the rest of his career almost like Westbrook after he turned 30.

Game sounds good on paper then you get him and realise he can’t be effective in a complementary role and needs to the ball on his hands to be effective, but he’s not good enough with the ball in his hands to move the needle and generate real impact/wins.

[Dejounte]

Yes, they tried this model before and were a borderline playoff team. A worse version of that is probably a borderline play-in with a pick ranging from 8-12, so I don't necessarily disagree with you. But let's not act like this trade all of a sudden makes Atlanta a bottom 4 team or something, the difference between next year's Hawk's team vs this year's Hawks team (10th worst) probably isn't that big.

I think you’re underrating a few aspects:

-that team was built over time to reach those peaks. this upcoming Hawks team will have no seasons of experience together.
-Trae’s mindset. He specifically wanted to play with a star, that’s why they got Dejounte. Now they’re doing the same model again and his effort levels are supposed to stay the same? What motivation does he have for this organization now that it’s clear they’re putting players around him that have not won anything in this league?

[TheChillFactor]

i'm just glad he isn't coming back here. i don't want trae young either.

[vy65]

ATL, if they simply keep Trae, is GUARANTEED to make play-in at worst. Depending on what happens in CLE (Mitc does not extend?) and PHI (can they build a team because all they have are Embiid + Maxey on their roster) ATL can make playoffs pretty straightforward

But worst case is 9th seed since literally every single other team that was not a playoff team in the East is tanking hard for this draft and got worse. Theres zero compe ion for 9th seed and play-in for ATL even with no Murray.

But why tho?

Better teams:

Boston
NYK
Philly
Indy
MIL
Cleveland
Orlando
Miami
Charlotte
Toronto

Worse
Brooklyn
Washington
Detroit
Chicago (TBD)

Assuming Chicago tanks, that would put Atlanta at #11.

[Mr. Body]

Dejounte has to be happy. The play-in game this year, after the whole game of Trae just lazily walking around on defense and barely being viable on offense, this one play where Trae chucks this deep three against the run of offense early in the shot clock. The look of disgust on Murray's face.

[DPG21920]

But why tho?

Better teams:

Boston
NYK
Philly
Indy
MIL
Cleveland
Orlando
Miami
Charlotte
Toronto

Worse
Brooklyn
Washington
Detroit
Chicago (TBD)

Assuming Chicago tanks, that would put Atlanta at #11.

TOR and CHA are not better than ATL IMHO

[DesignatedT]

Hawks lose some leverage in a trade with the Spurs now.

[thOOdee]

If the Spurs trade for Trae Young after drafting Stephon Castle and skipping Dilly, I'm out

oh god no!!!

[TrainOfThought5]

I don’t know why people keep thinking Dillingham is going to reach half of Trae’s level. It won’t be close, tbh.

he will 100% reach half of traes level. He’s already a better 3 Point shooter.

[superbigtime]

Spurs could've given more than NO surely. Would've loved him in silver and black again.