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I don‘t understand why people think Markkanen costs a Bridges to the Knicks type of package. He‘s on an expiring and Dejounte Murray was just traded for 2 firsts while being on a team friendly deal. Ainge will have to move Lauri sooner or later
Yes, let’s trade a boatload of first round picks for a guy who squeeked into one ASG, because that worked SO well last time.
I don‘t understand why people think Markkanen costs a Bridges to the Knicks type of package. He‘s on an expiring and Dejounte Murray was just traded for 2 firsts while being on a team friendly deal. Ainge will have to move Lauri sooner or later
Dejounte what if you're seeing it the wrong way here, buddy.
What if instead of a Garland-Young swap, there is a Mitc - Young swap? Would fulfill many needs across the teams. Or maybe I'm just fooling around with these thoughts in my head.
Feels like this was a home run for the Hawks on so many levels.
-The Owner - Gets them under the tax which he's insisted on.
-The Coach - loses DJ a lousy defender, makes space for Bufkin, now Daniels, much improved POA (plus Risacher's defense will be a plus eventually).
-Their Star - Trae's better by addition plus subtraction with DJ out. (unless he's traded in the next five minutes)
-The Fans - Get to keep Trae (for now). Trae's the fan favorite, he puts butts in seats.
-THE FO - scored a 25 unprotected fist and meh 27 first. That 25 Lakers unprotected looks nice. They are not really handcuffed by us having their picks now.
-Flexibility - Could still make a splash trading Trae, or just move pieces like Hunter or Capela (if they have positive value), or they could do nothing else and their team looks much improved in the present and future.
Here's Brad Rollin's emergency pod for Locked on Hawks regarding DJ. (Just saw Trae take down the Hawks logo on the Socials, so I'm guessing we'll have another Emergency Pod for him soon?)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uh3B...Pu-ky9kiJJ-w_s
Because ainge only makes these big trades if he absolutely rips somebody off
yeah but in this case, if he can't he'll get nothing
I call BS on him wanting to come to SA - I think he said that for two reason 1. He wanted to piss off the Spurs players by basically saying they don't know how to play basketball as they can't even throw a pass to Wemby. 2. He is just trying to use leverage to get him the best deal with the Hawks as far as money or them bringing in talent
There’s a lot of truth here, but I’m personally not yet convinced banking on another team’s player being injured will earn us any karma points from the basketball gods.
Even if they do trade Young, we’re still banking on them tanking successfully for years when they probably still get value to make a playin run in a weak East with plenty of teams tanking.
Worst trade in Cleveland's history. FO should be fired on the spot. Trae and Garland together?
Reporting is that Utah will listen to offers for Lauri, but they don't really want to trade him.
I interpret this as Utah definitely wants to trade him and Ainge is just setting things up for maximum return. Apparently teams are already lining up.
I have felt that a Siakam-like deal was what it would take... but now that I sleep on it a little more I think Kevin is correct and this will take something more like the deal Atlanta gave us for DJM, partly due to the Ainge factor.
Lauri is so perfect... but that is a lot to give up. So long as you keep at least one pick in each year going forward... I think I'd do it. Picks are overvalued when it's this FO who will eventually have to do something with them.
I keep coming back to…
Every team he was on got better when he left. He might just be a tall better shooting version of Dejounte, a guy who doesn’t move the needle. An All Star imposter. If you’re looking for a shooting forward, just go get Cam Johnson. He’s a better shooter, and would be much cheaper.
Jalen Smith is a free agent!!!!
I actually like Dyson Daniels, but I think it's noteworthy to point out his archetype similarity to Castle. In the G league, DD was a good defender with size who could handle the ball and pass, but shot 25% from three, and people said if he ever developed an outside shot he might be a star. In the last two seasons, his 3pt% has improved, up to 31%. He's still young and improving, but he was still the 3rd string PG for New Orleans. I'm rooting for Castle, but I think people who are absolutely certain of his future success are definitely overselling him.
After the Dilly deal the Spurs are more loaded with picks than ever. Go get Trae and Lauri! Hawks picks for Trae. Best pick of 2027 and 2030 plus the 2031 Wolves pick and the Spurs own 2031 pick unprotected. Heck I’ll throw in the Bulls pick since it’s looking like they might blow it up and tank anyway.
Please never compare the gleague to an elite NCAA program.
One of Daniels problems was that he couldn’t get time. That won’t be an issue with Castle.
Does he not want to re-sign there? Is Ainge not offering that fifth year?
I believe there is a way to add two stars now, but from a cap perspective one of them needs to be an older Vet on his last big deal, something like a 3-year max for PG13. That way the Vet's max is rolling off when you need to start paying Wemby his max in addition to potentially Vassell's next deal.
Trae and Lauri doesn't work (IMO, completely ignoring on-the-court fit and just looking at salary) because if it works (and why would you do it if it doesn't work?) then you'll be forced to break it up in order to resign Wemby. At least with a PG13-like deal, you know it's short term.
But rather than a second Max with Lauri, I'd rather us trade for him and then go for a Khris Middleton-like player. Old, more short-term, but not a max player. I don't like Klay AT ALL, but even someone like him would be a better fit.
Castle
Vassell
Middleton or Klay
Lauri
Wemby
Now you have a starting lineup with better spacing and you're not pairing Castle with another poor shooter in Sochan.
The story has been that Lauri isn't interested in being part of a tank, and by loading up on even more rookies (they just took 3 who I would all expect to get serious playing time this year, in addition to their two second year guys) and having their upcoming draft picks... hard to see the Jazz doing anything but continuing to tank.
For anyone concerned about paying Lauri... he's going to sign a max deal next year, he's a max-level player in this NBA. If you don't want him because you don't think he's good enough, then that's fine. But if you want him, you're going to have to pay the max, because that's what he is. This is going to be true of any "second star". We have to get used to this idea and not be afraid of a massive deal.
IMO, Lauri is definitely worth the max he'll command and is THE perfect fit based on on-the-court fit AND availability. There might be other max players who you think would be better to add, but are any of them actually able to be acquired? Luka, SGA, Giannis, Maxey, Halli, etc, etc, etc. are NOT getting traded. Lauri, on the other hand, you can get. Trae Young is the other most-available player, and we all generally agree we don't want him.
Tbh I don’t get this notion of “we all generally don’t want Trae”. There was a Trae thread during the season where at least half of the posters in it were OK with getting Trae. Not sure why that would change now.
Kinda felt like Utah even tried to replace Lauri's type to some degree with Williams and Flip
Probably reading too much into it but feels like preparations
Fire up the poll machine!
Maybe it's just selective bias, but it seems like the majority of the board are against.
If the Spurs have to make room for Trae/Wemby/Lauri Dev goes to create space. Wemby being on his rookie makes this big three affordable for the next three years.
I think Lauri would fit well with Cody and with Taylor Hendricks... but not really with both. I assume Utah will eventually want Cody/Hendrix/Kessler as their starting front court.
Flip is a nice bench prospect, but he doesn't really figure into this.
I think you can see Utah's young tank core forming...
Collier
George
Cody
Hendricks
Kessler
All first, second and third year guys with potential. Clarkson off the bench for vet leadership, let them scrap it out to see who is a keeper. Those who don't rate, you move to the bench or two another team and replace with more incoming draft picks.
This is what the Spurs would be doing if we didn't land Wemby, and it is the right approach to rebuilding until you find your star, IMO. Spurs are just lucky that we got Wemby and are past that stage.
Yes... they'll be affordable for the next three years, but not after that. That's my point. You'll be paying a premium for Trae and Lauri's youth, but not able to take advantage of it because you'll have to break them up when Wemby's extension kicks in.
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