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    If the Hawks can get a bunch of picks from another team for Young, could they offer the Spurs enough non-Hawks draft capital to get the Spurs to take it in return for the Hawks regaining control over their next three drafts? It would be in the same vein as the Rockets/Nets deal.

    There has to be a point at which the Spurs say yes, though it might not be possible for the Hawks to get there. The picks the Hawks got in the Dejounte trade help towards this end, though, and it's possible that's exactly why they traded Dejounte.
    Well, apparently the Spurs value picks 7 years later on a 1:1 basis as current picks if you just throw in a swap, so probably wouldn't be too hard for the Hawks to come up with this.

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    Front load Lauri’s deal as much as possible. Back load Wemby’s deal as much as possible.
    Frontloading isn't reasonable; Laurie's a max player who will demand a max contract with max years and max yearly raises. Frontloading is only for role players. With the max raises both Lauri's and Victor's deals would be quite backloaded, which is no big deal since the cap will raise 10% annually (compounded AFAIK) for years while max raises are 8% non-compounded.

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    Well, apparently the Spurs value picks 7 years later on a 1:1 basis as current picks if you just throw in a swap, so probably wouldn't be too hard for the Hawks to come up with this.
    Really think that trade was about stockpiling assets for trade in a couple of years. It's kind of funny how much we flipped on Dillingham though (loved him when I thought he was 176 and not 164).

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    I have a hard time believing PAFTO would be interested in Trae.

    I'm thinking maybe we see a multi-team deal where ATL gets their picks back, Trae goes somewhere, and we get picks in the time of Paul Atreides. Lisan Al Gaib is good enough to unretire #21 for.
    He will show us the way!

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    If the Hawks can get a bunch of picks from another team for Young, could they offer the Spurs enough non-Hawks draft capital to get the Spurs to take it in return for the Hawks regaining control over their next three drafts? It would be in the same vein as the Rockets/Nets deal.

    There has to be a point at which the Spurs say yes, though it might not be possible for the Hawks to get there. The picks the Hawks got in the Dejounte trade help towards this end, though, and it's possible that's exactly why they traded Dejounte.
    Hopefully not. The Rockets were willing to give the Nets their picks back because Brooklyn gave them Phoenix's unprotected firsts in exchange, so the Rockets can hold the Suns hostage for Durant or Booker once they blow that team up. There are no other opportunities like that for the Hawks to take advantage of and get their picks back.

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    Really think that trade was about stockpiling assets for trade in a couple of years. It's kind of funny how much we flipped on Dillingham though (loved him when I thought he was 176 and not 164).
    I think this Front Office believes that, because their completely oblivious to the fact that they lack the aggressiveness to compete in the trade market for stars. PAFTO thinks that because they've beaten expectations in their garage sales that they're ready to show up to a Sotheby's auction to bid on some da Vincis.

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    I think this Front Office believes that, because their completely oblivious to the fact that they lack the aggressiveness to compete in the trade market for stars. PAFTO thinks that because they've beaten expectations in their garage sales that they're ready to show up to a Sotheby's auction to bid on some da Vincis.
    They've managed to brainwash the apologists/homers, who think if they're just patient, they'll luck into a S bag/Craptors like heist, not realizing how unprecedented that situation was and how it's the virtual an hesis of how superstar/star trades generally work.

    No one is going to hand this franchise a star (and superstars are pipe dreams). They're going to have to go take it by overwhelming the compe ion and yes, it's not going to be a player who checks every box.

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    They've managed to brainwash the apologists/homers, who think if they're just patient, they'll luck into a S bag/Craptors like heist, not realizing how unprecedented that situation was and how it's the virtual an hesis of how superstar/star trades generally work.

    No one is going to hand this franchise a star (and superstars are pipe dreams). They're going to have to go take it by overwhelming the compe ion and yes, it's not going to be a player who checks every box.
    And they have willing accomplices in the spineless local media who covers them, feeding into this delusion that the Spurs are going to suddenly find the for ude to play the trade game.







    This is of course, just a small sample of what we saw on draft night. After training their fans to believe that the draft was this team's preferred way of team building... now the story is that we pass up opportunities to build via the draft for some hypothetical fantasy trade in the future.

    There is something to be said about having draft capital in the far future where theoretically all our picks will be in the late 20s... but you actually have to do things in the meantime for those picks to be in the late 20s. Right now this FO hasn't proven any ability to build a team capable of even being a playoff team, unless their planning to do what they did to David Robinson in the mid 90s and just surround Wemby with trash and hope he can carry the load all by himself. Wemby's special enough, that maybe he can... but damn it would be a lot easier to just surround him with actual talent.

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    And they have willing accomplices in the spineless local media who covers them, feeding into this delusion that the Spurs are going to suddenly find the for ude to play the trade game.







    This is of course, just a small sample of what we saw on draft night. After training their fans to believe that the draft was this team's preferred way of team building... now the story is that we pass up opportunities to build via the draft for some hypothetical fantasy trade in the future.

    There is something to be said about having draft capital in the far future where theoretically all our picks will be in the late 20s... but you actually have to do things in the meantime for those picks to be in the late 20s. Right now this FO hasn't proven any ability to build a team capable of even being a playoff team, unless their planning to do what they did to David Robinson in the mid 90s and just surround Wemby with trash and hope he can carry the load all by himself. Wemby's special enough, that maybe he can... but damn it would be a lot easier to just surround him with actual talent.
    Well said.

    That and this whole notion of planning for Wembanyama long term sounds nice in theory, but in reality they have to actually practice what they always preach, which is "not skip steps" to get to that point or there's not going to be such a thing as Wembanyama long term.

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    And they have willing accomplices in the spineless local media who covers them, feeding into this delusion that the Spurs are going to suddenly find the for ude to play the trade game.







    This is of course, just a small sample of what we saw on draft night. After training their fans to believe that the draft was this team's preferred way of team building... now the story is that we pass up opportunities to build via the draft for some hypothetical fantasy trade in the future.

    There is something to be said about having draft capital in the far future where theoretically all our picks will be in the late 20s... but you actually have to do things in the meantime for those picks to be in the late 20s. Right now this FO hasn't proven any ability to build a team capable of even being a playoff team, unless their planning to do what they did to David Robinson in the mid 90s and just surround Wemby with trash and hope he can carry the load all by himself. Wemby's special enough, that maybe he can... but damn it would be a lot easier to just surround him with actual talent.
    There isn’t enough bad to say about these spineless bootlicking suckers. Absolutely no integrity, or spine. They’ll willingly parrot whatever party line the front office deigns fit. It’s insulting this is the sort of media we’re stuck with. They’re like a far less intelligent but far more mediocre, real life version of that Iraqi minister of information guy/meme from back in the day.

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    Well said.

    That and this whole notion of planning for Wembanyama long term sounds nice in theory, but in reality they have to actually practice what they always preach, which is "not skip steps" to get to that point or there's not going to be such a thing as Wembanyama long term.
    I hadn't thought of it before in the context of "skipping steps" but that's exactly what their draft moves this week were. Like investing in a college fund for your kids not only before you have kids, but when you haven't even had a girlfriend yet.

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    Has Murray shat on the Hawks franchise on his Instagram yet?

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    Has Murray shat on the Hawks franchise on his Instagram yet?
    Too busy texting Zion about his favorite porn stars.

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    TD 21, scott, vy25.... tbh

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    Coincidentally, whatever happened to Johnny Ludden?

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    Coincidentally, whatever happened to Johnny Ludden?
    Still at Yahoo afaik

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    It even extends so far with the Spurs beat that you have guys like Ty (whom I actually find one of the best among those who cover the Spurs on a professional/semi-professional basis) calling any criticism of the Spurs choices "unnecessary".



    Of course, Ty is also convinced we will make a big trade this summer, so the Spurs acquiring a pick can be twisted to fit that narrative. He's young, he hasn't yet learned the disappointment of Spurs offseasons.

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    This is where the Spurs' refusal to talk to the public bites them in the ass. I can see the rationale for not wanting to take anyone at 8. Just refusing to say why a player is injured, or how long, or what's going on, or why they didn't take a draft pick, looks weird and arrogant.

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    It even extends so far with the Spurs beat that you have guys like Ty (whom I actually find one of the best among those who cover the Spurs on a professional/semi-professional basis) calling any criticism of the Spurs choices "unnecessary".



    Of course, Ty is also convinced we will make a big trade this summer, so the Spurs acquiring a pick can be twisted to fit that narrative. He's young, he hasn't yet learned the disappointment of Spurs offseasons.
    Which is to say nothing of the abortion-tier status of the various spurs podcasts. The locked on guy certifiably has an extra chromosome and the TSR guy looks like he’s podcasting from your local trailer park.

    The “smartest” reporter is Tynan. And he leaves a ton to be desired and seems to be a bootlicker-in-training.

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    Which is to say nothing of the abortion-tier status of the various spurs podcasts. The locked on guy certifiably has an extra chromosome and the TSR guy looks like he’s podcasting from your local trailer park.

    The “smartest” reporter is Tynan. And he leaves a ton to be desired and seems to be a bootlicker-in-training.
    Yeah, it's becoming more and more obvious that Tynan has figured out the only way to maintain access is to bend the knee. Spurs have the media beat trained like dogs, because they collectively allow them to get away with it.

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    This is where the Spurs' refusal to talk to the public bites them in the ass. I can see the rationale for not wanting to take anyone at 8. Just refusing to say why a player is injured, or how long, or what's going on, or why they didn't take a draft pick, looks weird and arrogant.
    Arrogance is the right word. I have a friend who used to be sports director for one of the major stations in San Antonio who can't stand SS&E because of the way they treat media. It's not just a Pop schtick, that's their MO towards the media in general.

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    Yeah, it's becoming more and more obvious that Tynan has figured out the only way to maintain access is to bend the knee. Spurs have the media beat trained like dogs, because they collectively allow them to get away with it.
    Which is ironic coming from an organization that criticizes ins utions like Trump, with his fealty pledges and cult of personality

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    Which is ironic coming from an organization that criticizes ins utions like Trump, with his fealty pledges and cult of personality
    Pop criticizes Trump... but it wouldn't shock me to find Holt Jr and the rest of the ownership group on Trump's donor list.

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    And they have willing accomplices in the spineless local media who covers them, feeding into this delusion that the Spurs are going to suddenly find the for ude to play the trade game.







    This is of course, just a small sample of what we saw on draft night. After training their fans to believe that the draft was this team's preferred way of team building... now the story is that we pass up opportunities to build via the draft for some hypothetical fantasy trade in the future.

    There is something to be said about having draft capital in the far future where theoretically all our picks will be in the late 20s... but you actually have to do things in the meantime for those picks to be in the late 20s. Right now this FO hasn't proven any ability to build a team capable of even being a playoff team, unless their planning to do what they did to David Robinson in the mid 90s and just surround Wemby with trash and hope he can carry the load all by himself. Wemby's special enough, that maybe he can... but damn it would be a lot easier to just surround him with actual talent.
    At least Mike Finger suggesting there should be some accountability, albeit with a hedge, if they don’t make other moves this summer. Can’t say the same for the other journalists I’m afraid.

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    It's too early to call the entire offseason a bust. The free agency period hasn't even started.

    Given the inactivity from last year I can understand the pessimism, but I'm not going to react to the offseason until it's done.

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